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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 2, 2023 12:42:17 GMT
The usual offended Gammons are continuing to overlook facts Which is that in both this country and in the United States, black people are every day, been stopped, questioned, and held on suspicion of committing a crime because they are black. A black person in this country is ten times more likely to be stopped and searched as against a white person. So why is that ? 5 BLACK police officers, not one, or two or three or four but FIVE big strapping Black cops beat to death ONE unarmed man, the fact that he was also black makes it even worse, black cops just kill for the sake of it.
Where's all the knee takers? Where's the outraged lefties? Where the virtue signalling?
Hardly a dickiebird about it, because the 5 killers cops were all BLACK.
5 white cops had beaten to death one black man we'd never ever hear the end of it, just like George Floyd.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 12:46:41 GMT
Everyday story of what happens to black people in London Bianca Williams is a black British athlete, she has won several medals for Great Britain and England, including in the Commonwealth Games as a runner. In 2020, Bianca Williams and her partner, Portugese athlete Ricardo Dos Santos, were driving through Londons west end with their baby in a Mercedes Sports Car. The couple were stopped by police officers and abruptly ordered to get out of the car, Mr Dos Santos was pulled out of the car and handcuffed, whilst Miss Williams was also ordered out of the car, thereby leaving her 3 month old baby on the back seat. They had done nothing wrong The couple were guilty of been a young black couple driving an expensive car <----- THAT was their crime The police made up stories, including that they thought that they could smell Cannabis coming from the car ( Lies ) This YouTube footage was shown across Canada, it brings shame upon The Metrepolitan Police Black people in Britain are today TEN TIMES more likely to be stopped by police officers than white people in "Stop & Search". Black Lives Matter is for a valid reason, it is because prejudice is very much alive and kicking in this country, especially in the police. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfpckvSE7wWhy does the video only commence when the door is opened. Why no video of the interaction on first being stopped. If stopped by the police the best course of action is yes officer, no problems officer. The police are human beings and will not take kindly to being met with belligerence when doing their duty. You assume why they were stopped for being black as opposed to driving suspiciously. I suggest you look at how the stats on stop and search are calculated and why stop and search is carried out. It is hardly the fault of the police that in order to protect the black community from each other then certain areas are chosen and if information by way of description is obtained then they have to act on that description. I do not assume anything at all, I know that this young couple were racially profiled, they WERE stopped for no reason other than for been black people in an expensive car. The police officers told a pack of lies, they suggested that they could smell cannabis coming from the vehicle - two medal winning athletes ... smoking ?. I also know the final outcome of this incident, and I know that the Metropolitan Police APOLOGISED for what happened, but more to the point is the FACT that this happens a lot. If these two were not famous athletes, it probably would never have attracted the publicity |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 2, 2023 12:50:32 GMT
The usual offended Gammons are continuing to overlook facts Which is that in both this country and in the United States, black people are every day, been stopped, questioned, and held on suspicion of committing a crime because they are black. A black person in this country is ten times more likely to be stopped and searched as against a white person. So why is that ?
Here you go, fiddler:
The stop and search race myth - Alasdair Palmer.
When I was working as a speech writer in the Home Office, under Theresa May, one of her special advisers told me that she wanted to give a statement to parliament on the police's use of stop and search. Part of the motive for doing this, he explained, was political: stop and search is a policy which consistently alienates members of the black community. I was told that it would help the home secretary's standing with Afro-Caribbeans if she made a statement that was critical of the police's use of stop and search.
The grounds would essentially be that the tool was racist, or at least used by the police in a racist way: the statistics demonstrated that you were six or seven times more likely to be stopped and searched if you were a member of an ethnic minority.
In fact, the Home Office had done research in the relatively recent past which showed that the statistics do not demonstrate this. P.A.J. Waddington, now a professor at Wolverhampton University, worked for the Home Office during the late 1990s and the early noughties. In the wake of the publication of the Macpherson report, he was part of a Home Office team that looked carefully at the Met's use of stop and search. The task was to establish if indeed it was being used in a racist way, as the ‘six or seven times more likely’ statistic suggests.
It was noted that the statistic was obtained by looking at the percentage of the total number of stop and search incidents that a particular ethnic group was subject to, and then dividing it by the percentage that that ethnic group makes up of the population of the UK as a whole. If you then compare the figure that calculation generates for whites with the figure you get for ethnic minorities, the result is that members of ethnic minorities are ‘six or seven times more likely to be stopped’ than white people.
The Home Office research showed that calculating relative stop and search rates in that way is very misleading. If you want to know if the police are stopping and searching members of particular ethnic groups in a biased and possibly racist way, then what you need to know is who is available to be stopped and searched on the streets at the times that the police are stopping and searching people.
For instance, the police stop and search a miniscule number of women, of all races, over the age of 70. Does this show they are biased in favour of these women? Obviously not. It simply shows that the police do not receive reports that women over the age of 70 have been involved in mugging people on the streets – and therefore are not useful or appropriate targets for being stopped and searched. Women over the age of 70 also tend not to be on the streets at the times and in the places the police do stop and search.
The team of Home Office researchers felt it was important to know the ethnic composition of the population available to be stopped and searched in the places and at the times the police were implementing that tactic. So they went out and counted it: they identified the percentage of the street population made up by each ethnic group. They then compared that with the percentage of stop and searches that were made up by each ethnic group. They discovered that, when you looked at who was available to be stopped and searched when the police were actually stopping and searching on the streets, the ethnic bias disappeared. In fact, the police stopped slightly more white people than they should have done if you looked solely at their proportion of the street population.
The police, the Home Office research showed, did not target particular areas for stop and search because they wanted to stop and search people of a particular ethnic group. They chose those areas because that's where the highest amount of street crime was reported – and stop and search's primary purpose is to diminish street crimes such as mugging and robbery.
But a decade later, not one official within the Home Office seemed aware of this work. No-one had heard of it. No-one could tell me where I could find it. There was no Home Office library where such items were catalogued and so available for being accessed – or if there was, no official I talked to knew about it.
I nevertheless felt that it was important that this truth be reflected in any parliamentary statement made by the home secretary. It would certainly be possible to point out that there are many things wrong with stop and search, because there are: it is often implemented badly; those stopped are not given adequate reasons why they are being stopped; they are often treated rudely and without the respect they are entitled to. But on its own, the statistical evidence of the way it is used does not suggest that it is implemented in a racist way.
So that is what I put in my draft of her parliamentary statement. The reaction was an explosion of rage from the special adviser, and an emphatic assertion that Waddington's point – that statistics on stop and search do not support the idea that it is implemented by the police in a racist way – would not be in the speech. He told me: ‘Of course I could take this up with the home secretary.’ But he did not. I doubt she was ever informed that the statistic used to demonstrate police race bias in the application of stop and search was misleading.
The special adviser re-wrote the statement in the way he wanted it, with the misleading statistic, and she gave the statement to parliament as he had written it on 2 July 2013. And the rest is history.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 12:52:58 GMT
The usual offended Gammons are continuing to overlook facts Which is that in both this country and in the United States, black people are every day, been stopped, questioned, and held on suspicion of committing a crime because they are black. A black person in this country is ten times more likely to be stopped and searched as against a white person. So why is that ? 5 BLACK police officers, not one, or two or three or four but FIVE big strapping Black cops beat to death ONE unarmed man, the fact that he was also black makes it even worse, black cops just kill for the sake of it.
Where's all the knee takers? Where's the outraged lefties? Where the virtue signalling?
Hardly a dickiebird about it, because the 5 killers cops were all BLACK.
5 white cops had beaten to death one black man we'd never ever hear the end of it, just like George Floyd.
Using this pathetic "tit for tat" wont wash Instead, tell me what the statistics are, tell me how often are there incidents of black officers abusing their power, or beating people up, or wrongly arresting or detaining people, or even shooting unarmed suspects. Then, compare it to how many instances there are of white police officers doing the same thing to black people, why is it that a black person in this country is 10 times more likely to be stopped using "Stop & Search" as against a white person. You cannot deny facts, and there is a huge discrepancy, and its based on prejudice, nothing else |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 2, 2023 12:55:21 GMT
5 BLACK police officers, not one, or two or three or four but FIVE big strapping Black cops beat to death ONE unarmed man, the fact that he was also black makes it even worse, black cops just kill for the sake of it.
Where's all the knee takers? Where's the outraged lefties? Where the virtue signalling?
Hardly a dickiebird about it, because the 5 killers cops were all BLACK.
5 white cops had beaten to death one black man we'd never ever hear the end of it, just like George Floyd.
Instead, tell me what the statistics are, tell me how often are there incidents of black officers abusing their power, or beating people up, or wrongly arresting or detaining people, or even shooting unarmed suspects. Then, compare it to how many instances there are of white police officers doing the same thing to black people, why is it that a black person in this country is 10 times more likely to be stopped using "Stop & Search" as against a white person. You cannot deny facts, and there is a huge discrepancy, and its based on prejudice, nothing else And there you have it folks, the double standard hypocrisy of the loony lefties ........... because it's 5 BLACK killer cops...it's 'pathetic tit for tat' ... LOL you couldn't make this shit up if you tried. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 2, 2023 13:03:52 GMT
...why is it that a black person in this country is 10 times more likely to be stopped using "Stop & Search" as against a white person. You cannot deny facts, and there is a huge discrepancy, and its based on prejudice, nothing else See above, where it's explained to you. But, just for the avoidance of doubt: Stop and Search is only applicable to certain crime types, specifically “Street crimes”. You don't detect white collar crime through Stop and Search. By and large you don't detect sex offences through Stop and Search. But you do detect robbery and drug-dealing through Stop and Search. And those crime types are more prevalent in areas with a lower socio-economic status which, for complex social and historical reasons (yes, probably including racism) contain more black people. And, because more black people live in those areas, more black people are involved in those crime types. When you take into account those factors, there is no disproportionality to Stop and Search. None whatsoever. Now please swtop trotting out the same old, unsubstantiated tropes. There's a chap. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 2, 2023 13:09:12 GMT
Instead, tell me what the statistics are, tell me how often are there incidents of black officers abusing their power, or beating people up, or wrongly arresting or detaining people, or even shooting unarmed suspects. Then, compare it to how many instances there are of white police officers doing the same thing to black people, why is it that a black person in this country is 10 times more likely to be stopped using "Stop & Search" as against a white person. You cannot deny facts, and there is a huge discrepancy, and its based on prejudice, nothing else How about you tell us, Fiddler - since you're the one making those assertions? Where are your stats? And please don't come back with your already debunked nonsense about the "Disproportionality" of stop & search because that's just not going to wash. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 14:34:12 GMT
Instead, tell me what the statistics are, tell me how often are there incidents of black officers abusing their power, or beating people up, or wrongly arresting or detaining people, or even shooting unarmed suspects. Then, compare it to how many instances there are of white police officers doing the same thing to black people, why is it that a black person in this country is 10 times more likely to be stopped using "Stop & Search" as against a white person. You cannot deny facts, and there is a huge discrepancy, and its based on prejudice, nothing else How about you tell us, Fiddler - since you're the one making those assertions? Where are your stats? And please don't come back with your already debunked nonsense about the "Disproportionality" of stop & search because that's just not going to wash. How much longer are you going to deny what are very well publicised facts ? One year ago the Independent Office for Police Conduct raised the question "why are our police forces racially profiling minorities". They highlighted a number of cases including a black boy who was stopped by police officers because "he smelled of cannabis and he was walking in a high crime area", the incident was videoed unbeknown to the officers, and it showed the 15 year old boy been kicked and punched by the police. No drugs were found on the boy and the officers were found guilty of assault. Hundreds of young black people report been constantly stopped and searched for no reason, the Independent Office For Police Conduct highlighted another case of boy who had been stopped SIXTY TIMES between the age af 14 and 16. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61167875The FACTS speak for themselves The Squeezed Middle as in for example here ( The governments own figures ), a FACT which you claim has been "debunked". Rate per thousand population ( Stop And Search ) White people 3.9% .... Black people 37.9% (2019) www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest#by-ethnicity-over-time-to-2019 |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 2, 2023 14:36:57 GMT
All explained above. Honestly fiddler, if the best you can do is to keep repeating the same debunked nonsense then you really have no argument.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 2, 2023 14:44:12 GMT
'Suzy Izzard' LOL, stop the world I'm getting off. Pronouns be buggered, Izzard is without a doubt the second ugliest ‘woman’ i’ve ever seen. ‘it’ is exceeded somely by the individual i worked with at British Telecom in 97, an individual who chose to declare their intent to transition and be known as a wonan. Yes we’ve had ‘trans’ people for over a quarter of a century. I have no recollection of what the individual formerly known as Ron chose to be called in their new life. I told them to their face i gave not a toss what they looked like I only cared what code they produced. But i also told them to their face my aunt who declared the weekend transvestite lecturer who taught physiology to my undergrad group had ‘pretty decent legs’ for a man would be unlikely to say the same of them. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 2, 2023 14:44:43 GMT
I do not assume anything at all, I know that this young couple were racially profiled, they WERE stopped for no reason other than for been black people in an expensive car. The police officers told a pack of lies, they suggested that they could smell cannabis coming from the vehicle - two medal winning athletes ... smoking ?. I also know the final outcome of this incident, and I know that the Metropolitan Police APOLOGISED for what happened, but more to the point is the FACT that this happens a lot. If these two were not famous athletes, it probably would never have attracted the publicity More nonsense from you. Cressida Dick apologised for any distress caused. However, the police did nothing wrong. “Two reviews of the circumstances by the Met’s Directorate of Professional Standards have not identified misconduct for any officer involved.” Again, you are being selective in what you choose to present. link |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 2, 2023 14:46:50 GMT
The usual offended Gammons are continuing to overlook facts Which is that in both this country and in the United States, black people are every day, been stopped, questioned, and held on suspicion of committing a crime because they are black. A black person in this country is ten times more likely to be stopped and searched as against a white person. So why is that ? [that’ll be because white 98 year olds don’t do many muggings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 14:50:08 GMT
The police made up a story of how they believed they could smell Cannabis - from another vehicle (a police car) because according to the police's lies "the window of the occupants car was open".
The police then made up more lies that the car had been driven "erratically" ond veered to the opposite lane
However there just happened to be no evidence of this claim, no camera footage, nothing. How convenient, its called a "Stitch Up" and as stated previously, this couple were stopped because they were black and driving a posh, expensive car.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 2, 2023 15:24:45 GMT
The police made up a story of how they believed they could smell Cannabis - from another vehicle (a police car) because according to the police's lies "the window of the occupants car was open". The police then made up more lies that the car had been driven "erratically" ond veered to the opposite lane However there just happened to be no evidence of this claim, no camera footage, nothing. How convenient, its called a "Stitch Up" and as stated previously, this couple were stopped because they were black and driving a posh, expensive car.
And again, you're simply repeating the same untruths.
“Two reviews of the circumstances by the Met’s Directorate of Professional Standards have not identified misconduct for any officer involved.”
I'm not sure if you're being deliberately disingenuous or if you're simply a bit dim but, either way, the evidence simply does not support your assertions.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 2, 2023 15:29:31 GMT
The police made up a story of how they believed they could smell Cannabis - from another vehicle (a police car) because according to the police's lies "the window of the occupants car was open". The police then made up more lies that the car had been driven "erratically" ond veered to the opposite lane However there just happened to be no evidence of this claim, no camera footage, nothing. How convenient, its called a "Stitch Up" and as stated previously, this couple were stopped because they were black and driving a posh, expensive car.
And again, you're simply repeating the same untruths.
“Two reviews of the circumstances by the Met’s Directorate of Professional Standards have not identified misconduct for any officer involved.”
I'm not sure if you're being deliberately disingenuous or if you're simply a bit dim but, either way, the evidence simply does not support your assertions.
Think the clue is in his name 'fiddler', he fiddles around with facts until he gets the results he wants, just like those remoaners who wanted a referendum over and over again until it was Remain. |
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