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Post by sandypine on Jun 30, 2023 21:09:38 GMT
Requests evidence. Is supplied with evidence. Doesn't like evidence. I expect you'd accept any evidence I presented? It is your evidence that has so many questions as to its veracity. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 30, 2023 21:21:14 GMT
If the data is out there it will be available from better sources. Your dodgy site quotes the NOAA so find me the figures from them. Otherwise you get exactly what I found, .makes many bold assertions that are often questionable or misleadingYou are changing direction here. The data used is as sourced from the NOAA, no one has disputed that (except you). The specification of weather stations is as defined by the NOAA no one has disputed that. The compliance of those weather stations to the NOAA requirements has been assessed accurately, no one has disputed that. All that is disputed is the findings and questions on the methodology of the sampling/selection procedure. There is no dispute that of the stations tested 96% were not in compliance with the NOAA specs. What is in dispute is what that means in terms of all the other stations and the overall readings. About 90 stations were the same stations as considered in the critical 2009 report and a further 30 were newer stations. The stations were located nationwide although the sampling was not totally random so statistical inferences are to a certain extent subjective opinions ( a not uncommon event in climate science and the reporting and commenting on it) The fact checkers thought that a scientific paper should have been written and published. This is nonsense, unqualified personnel assess many things in many ways for many things. This is the whole point of specifications, procedures and quality assurance as it is usually unqualified personnel taking readings working to specifications and procedures laid down by the NOAA. Assessing how those specifications and procedures are being met is not a scientific finding it is a straightforward spec and procedural compliance observation. I'm not changing direction. I have pointed out to you several times that WUWT etc are well known for taking true figures and misrepresenting them by selective quoting and use of figures. If they got the figures from the NOAA lets see the originals, not the pruned and misquoted version. Why are you struggling to give these figures? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 30, 2023 21:23:22 GMT
I expect you'd accept any evidence I presented? It is your evidence that has so many questions as to its veracity. Please feel free to question it, that's what a forum like this is for. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 1, 2023 6:19:53 GMT
There is no evidence to back up the claim that man-made CO2 is the primary driver of warming. The models built on this hypothesis simply don't work.
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Post by sheepy on Jul 1, 2023 6:21:04 GMT
I expect you'd accept any evidence I presented? It is your evidence that has so many questions as to its veracity. It was been an eye opener the whole thing is full of zealots. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 1, 2023 6:37:44 GMT
It is your evidence that has so many questions as to its veracity. It was been an eye opener the whole thing is full of zealots. You can say that again. Thankfully the scientists won in a world where being an expert is to be mocked. |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 1, 2023 6:42:23 GMT
Volkswagen is to cut electric car production at one of its biggest factories after “strong customer reluctance” led to far lower sales than expected. The business is pausing work on electric models for six weeks at its plant in Emden, northwest Germany, and will lay off 300 of the 1,500 workers involved in making them. The company blamed lower subsidies for buyers of the cars across Europe and higher inflation for a drop in consumer interest. Demand for electric vehicles is running 30pc below the company’s forecasts. Manfred Wullf, head of the Emden plant, said: “We are experiencing strong customer reluctance in the electric vehicle sector.” While uptake of electric vehicles has been strong in the past few years, with demand for the cars outstripping supply, manufacturers fear that they are becoming less attractive owing to the extra expense of buying one – battery cars cost about £10,000 more than petrol-driven equivalents – together with a narrower gap between the price of electricity and petrol when filling up.
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Post by sheepy on Jul 1, 2023 8:14:38 GMT
It was been an eye opener the whole thing is full of zealots. You can say that again. Thankfully the scientists won in a world where being an expert is to be mocked. I don't call creating zealots on the back of lets say a lot of unproven idealistic science winning much, but common sense says rather than letting a death cult run riot while a very small bunch of mega wealthy Bolsheviks take full advantage to bring about a totalitarian world needs to be countermanded. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 1, 2023 8:16:08 GMT
Volkswagen is to cut electric car production at one of its biggest factories after “strong customer reluctance” led to far lower sales than expected. The business is pausing work on electric models for six weeks at its plant in Emden, northwest Germany, and will lay off 300 of the 1,500 workers involved in making them. The company blamed lower subsidies for buyers of the cars across Europe and higher inflation for a drop in consumer interest. Demand for electric vehicles is running 30pc below the company’s forecasts. Manfred Wullf, head of the Emden plant, said: “We are experiencing strong customer reluctance in the electric vehicle sector.” While uptake of electric vehicles has been strong in the past few years, with demand for the cars outstripping supply, manufacturers fear that they are becoming less attractive owing to the extra expense of buying one – battery cars cost about £10,000 more than petrol-driven equivalents – together with a narrower gap between the price of electricity and petrol when filling up.
I guess when people are feeling hard up they have to make decisions between what they would like to do and what's practical. As many on here have said, the cost of net zero is very hard to bare at this time. As a believer in AGW, would a compromise be that we slow down now and accelerate more in 2 years? |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 1, 2023 8:17:59 GMT
You can say that again. Thankfully the scientists won in a world where being an expert is to be mocked. I don't call creating zealots on the back of lets say a lot of unproven idealistic science winning much, but common sense says rather than letting a death cult run riot while a very small bunch of mega wealthy Bolsheviks take full advantage to bring about a totalitarian world needs to be countermanded. That's because you are one of those who thinks a blogger is equal to a scientific institute. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 1, 2023 8:21:50 GMT
I don't call creating zealots on the back of lets say a lot of unproven idealistic science winning much, but common sense says rather than letting a death cult run riot while a very small bunch of mega wealthy Bolsheviks take full advantage to bring about a totalitarian world needs to be countermanded. That's because you are one of those who thinks a blogger is equal to a scientific institute. No that's because I would not like to see people driven to their own destruction by cultish behaviour. So we having a degree of common sense offer you alternatives which you get decide if you have a future not completely ruled by psychology and political totalitarians. |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 1, 2023 8:26:02 GMT
Volkswagen is to cut electric car production at one of its biggest factories after “strong customer reluctance” led to far lower sales than expected. The business is pausing work on electric models for six weeks at its plant in Emden, northwest Germany, and will lay off 300 of the 1,500 workers involved in making them. The company blamed lower subsidies for buyers of the cars across Europe and higher inflation for a drop in consumer interest. Demand for electric vehicles is running 30pc below the company’s forecasts. Manfred Wullf, head of the Emden plant, said: “We are experiencing strong customer reluctance in the electric vehicle sector.” While uptake of electric vehicles has been strong in the past few years, with demand for the cars outstripping supply, manufacturers fear that they are becoming less attractive owing to the extra expense of buying one – battery cars cost about £10,000 more than petrol-driven equivalents – together with a narrower gap between the price of electricity and petrol when filling up.
I guess when people are feeling hard up they have to make decisions between what they would like to do and what's practical. As many on here have said, the cost of net zero is very hard to bare at this time. As a believer in AGW, would a compromise be that we slow down now and accelerate more in 2 years? [br People are hard up thanks to the ECO BS. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 1, 2023 8:41:09 GMT
That's because you are one of those who thinks a blogger is equal to a scientific institute. No that's because I would not like to see people driven to their own destruction by cultish behaviour. So we having a degree of common sense offer you alternatives which you get decide if you have a future not completely ruled by psychology and political totalitarians. You confuse science with politics. If scientists spot an asteroid on its way to hit earth, the decision to switch all efforts to stop it is not political or psychological. If a blogger claims the scientists might have got some minor aspect of the size of the asteroid wrong and we can't know how much destruction it may cause, my attitude is not to give that blogger equal credence to the scientists who warn of disaster. Nor do I think to pause our efforts until we know for sure and its possibly too late or requires far more effort to save the planet. Basically I trust the scientists of the world, especially when so many of them agree. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 1, 2023 8:42:42 GMT
I guess when people are feeling hard up they have to make decisions between what they would like to do and what's practical. As many on here have said, the cost of net zero is very hard to bare at this time. As a believer in AGW, would a compromise be that we slow down now and accelerate more in 2 years? [br People are hard up thanks to the ECO BS. Sorry, I forgot you don't believe global warming is happening at all, so your view is bound to be different. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 8:45:58 GMT
I don't call creating zealots on the back of lets say a lot of unproven idealistic science winning much, but common sense says rather than letting a death cult run riot while a very small bunch of mega wealthy Bolsheviks take full advantage to bring about a totalitarian world needs to be countermanded. That's because you are one of those who thinks a blogger is equal to a scientific institute. Isn't this like condemning Galileo for not having the same level of authority as the religious institute? |
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