climate change

It really doesn't matter how warm it gets if we are doomed to a relatively short-term extinction. Of course this isn't a view backed by scientists - our point is that Thunberg is a vacuous flapping, attention seeking halfwit and the media is engaging in disinformation by giving her attention

Risible codswallop masquerading as logic as usual.

Of course the Sun is very slowly heating up. But it is a process that takes many hundreds of millions of years before it has much effect. About 5 billion years from now it will have become a red giant. Much sooner than that, though still a very long time by human standards, say several hundred million years our planet will be becoming uncomfortably hot for life as it is today. Somewhere between 1 and 2 billion years from now a runaway greenhouse effect will be triggered turning the planet into another hell hole like Venus. We are unlikely to be around at the time though or if we are evolution would have had time to change us into something very different. How do we know all this? Those much derided scientists of course. But the timescales involved are geological in scale and nothing for us to worry about.

Current climate change trends are much more rapid, having increased on average globally by nearly 1.5C in less than two centuries. Science is based upon accurate measurements. If you think they are unproven you need to back that with rather more than your obvious desire not to believe it. 

This increase needs to be explained. The Suns output fluctuates up and down slightly but on average has not changed. Nor has there been increased or decreased levels of volcanism above or below the long term norm. The long term warming of the sun is so slow that it would take many millennia to even be measurable. What has been measured beyond reasonable doubt is that CO2 levels in the atmosphere have pretty much doubled in a couple of centuries. There has been no increase in the natural production of CO2 in that time. But human activities involving the burning of coal or oil have been pumping out millions of tonnes of CO2. It is thus scientifically undeniable that the increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are a result of human activity, ie a man made increase.

Now some more basic science. CO2 is known to be a greenhouse gas, a well known property of a number of gasses. Another one, for example, is methane. Such gasses are transparent to visible light but opaque to infrared. Thus they tend to allow visible light in but when it hits a surface and is reflected back as infrared, ie heat, greenhouse gasses act to trap that heat in. The more greenhouse gasses in an atmosphere, the more heat is trapped in the atmosphere, and the warmer it gets. It is therefore scientifically obvious that a doubling of CO2 levels will lead to increases in global temperatures. It is inevitable. In the absence of any other measured natural mechanism, it is clear that that the warming that has been measured is due to the doubling of CO2 levels, and that these CO2 increases are man made. 

This makes the phenomenon of man made global warming a scientifically undeniable reality. You just need to follow the scientific logic. And join the dots. Further evidence that the warming is taking place is found in a measurable rise in sea levels and observable retreat of ice sheets almost everywhere. The evidence is in fact pretty obvious and very basic.

Those denying scientific reality tend to  be driven into conspiracy theory arguments, or else simply ignore the science and just doubt it anyway for no better reason than that they don't want to believe it. I do not want it to be true either. But I have a basic understanding of the science and like most intelligent people am prepared to face realty.

And guess what? I tend to find learned scientists far more convincing than you and the rest of the usual suspects around here.

Good to hear REAL scientists for a change and not bright young things shelf stackers views...

The world is a fecked up place, without doubt, I was listening to an old friend of mine yesterday saying there was untold billions ready to be invested in climate change policies, followed with Rishi sticking £170 on everybody's already struggling bills as a green levy, the madness of it all John.

The same ones who are funding labour. How nice of them to purchase a nice new labour HQ for smarmer their tool.

Correctl just the loony woke left..Well done Sheepy there may be hope for you yet. Nah perhaps there isn't lol.