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Post by sandypine on Jun 18, 2023 18:05:33 GMT
Then there are al the charge losses all the way along the line and much of that loss the consumer actually pays for wattsupwiththat.com/2022/08/18/charging-electric-cars-like-spilling-liters-of-petrolhidden-losses-during-charging-are-huge/"Major charging losses The ADAC tested electric vehicles were all connected to the same 22-kW wall box at 23 degrees ambient temperature, all under the same conditions. According to the test results: “a 100 kWh battery in a Tesla Model X100D actually requires 108.3 kWh. The Kia e-Niro Spirit requires 72.3 kWh for a 64 kWh battery. Even the Jaguar I-PACE EV400 needs at least 10 kWh more for a 90 kWh battery,” reports 24hamburg.de." This is like putting at least 10 litres in your car and throwing another litre on the ground.. I don't trust your source. And herein lies one of the main problems. The 'source' is reporting research carried out by others as it frequently does. It reports and questions conclusions and statements reached and made by others. This is common in the scientific world whereby one's data (and it is the official data that is often used) is reconsidered and the numbers crunched and presented without alarmist overtones or graphic lying or statistical manipulation. Warmists despise it because it queers their pitch, questions their science and often refutes their findings. Banning something is the way forward for the charlatan and the despotic. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 18, 2023 18:29:06 GMT
Seems like the millennium bug — ie, worrying about what doesn’t actually happen.
We (the PP family) currently have Mrs PP’s hybrid, while I make up my mind what car I want, which may depend on what charging facilities Hackney instal in our street. Meanwhile, the hybrid does around 30 miles a day, and has several times had the message “Add at least 15 ltr to your fuel”. This is because the car is regularly charged from home, so the fuel in the tank is not being used up quickly enough and is in danger of getting stale.
All this makes me think going all electric is long overdue, but BMW or Lexus, that’s the current problem…
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Post by sandypine on Jun 19, 2023 16:23:50 GMT
As an example of the above as regards 'facts' Justin Trudeau tweeted We’re seeing more and more of these fires because of climate change. These fires are affecting everyday routines, lives and livelihoods, and our air quality. We’ll keep working – here at home and with partners around the world – to tackle climate change and address its impacts. This is a false 'fact' and is only countered in areas like wattsup and not a lot of people. notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2023/06/17/ross-mckitrick-the-truth-about-forest-fires-goes-up-in-climate-change-smoke/#more-64888"When it comes to climate change, we’re constantly told to “follow the science.” Yet the same people who say that also regularly fabricate claims about trends in forest fires, both here in Canada and globally, and the connection to climate change. Science tells us forest fires are not becoming more common and the average area burned peaked 30 years ago. It also tells us we could do better at reducing the risk of catastrophic wildfire, if we’re prepared to make the effort." |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 19, 2023 16:50:58 GMT
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Post by Toreador on Jun 20, 2023 12:26:10 GMT
An interesting snippet I picked up when reading something else:
The last Ice Age peaked about 26,000 years ago and then the world began to warm (not our fault, just planetary cycles). But the warming trend abruptly reversed in the Younger Dryas, which lasted from about 12,800 to 11,700 years ago.
The Younger Dryas was caused by the influx of freshwater to the oceans from melting glaciers, that in turn caused changes in ocean currents, which in turn impacted climate.
Any chance this is what is happening right now?
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 20, 2023 16:26:43 GMT
The interconnectors across Europe, including the nuclear production in France. This would be the country that only recently threatened to cut off energy supplies in a spat over fishing licences - how on earth does that deliver a secure energy supply? dare i suggest not to us but to themselves. Putin is only able to behave as he does because he knows huge numbers of people depend on him. I welcome our european neighbours taking steps to secure an energy supply even if our own idiots are too thick to get on with the same because every kilowatt they than create themselves and put two fingers up to putin for not meeding is another nail in his coffin. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 20, 2023 16:52:44 GMT
An interesting snippet I picked up when reading something else: The last Ice Age peaked about 26,000 years ago and then the world began to warm (not our fault, just planetary cycles). But the warming trend abruptly reversed in the Younger Dryas, which lasted from about 12,800 to 11,700 years ago.The Younger Dryas was caused by the influx of freshwater to the oceans from melting glaciers, that in turn caused changes in ocean currents, which in turn impacted climate.Any chance this is what is happening right now? May well be a factor. Here's the best info I could find on the subject. Sea currents act in much the way a conveyor belt does, transporting warmer tropical waters to cooler climes, like the UK and Europe in the North Atlantic. But because of the climate crisis, these currents may be weakening and slowing down, more than “at any other time during at least the last 1,000 years.” The results could be dire. The relatively temperate environs enjoyed by much of Europe are made possible by the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream. Similarly, much of the eastern coastline of the United States is influenced by the Gulf Stream. And while we’re using the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream as examples, they’re not the only currents being affected by the climate crisis. There are dozens of ocean currents, all playing important roles in climate and ecology, and economic importance for shipping and travel, all around the world. A change, even a small one, in ocean circulation in these areas could have potentially large ramifications on the global climate, as well as marine ecosystems and sea level rise. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 20, 2023 17:04:13 GMT
An interesting snippet I picked up when reading something else: The last Ice Age peaked about 26,000 years ago and then the world began to warm (not our fault, just planetary cycles). But the warming trend abruptly reversed in the Younger Dryas, which lasted from about 12,800 to 11,700 years ago.The Younger Dryas was caused by the influx of freshwater to the oceans from melting glaciers, that in turn caused changes in ocean currents, which in turn impacted climate.Any chance this is what is happening right now? May well be a factor. Here's the best info I could find on the subject. Sea currents act in much the way a conveyor belt does, transporting warmer tropical waters to cooler climes, like the UK and Europe in the North Atlantic. But because of the climate crisis, these currents may be weakening and slowing down, more than “at any other time during at least the last 1,000 years.” The results could be dire. The relatively temperate environs enjoyed by much of Europe are made possible by the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream. Similarly, much of the eastern coastline of the United States is influenced by the Gulf Stream. And while we’re using the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream as examples, they’re not the only currents being affected by the climate crisis. There are dozens of ocean currents, all playing important roles in climate and ecology, and economic importance for shipping and travel, all around the world. A change, even a small one, in ocean circulation in these areas could have potentially large ramifications on the global climate, as well as marine ecosystems and sea level rise. So where does our oceans being destroyed daily by dumped plastic fit into your eqation zany? I aint seen bumbeurgh yet even mention that fact. Which BTW her idea of net zero increases the Oceans burdens. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 20, 2023 17:35:58 GMT
May well be a factor. Here's the best info I could find on the subject. Sea currents act in much the way a conveyor belt does, transporting warmer tropical waters to cooler climes, like the UK and Europe in the North Atlantic. But because of the climate crisis, these currents may be weakening and slowing down, more than “at any other time during at least the last 1,000 years.” The results could be dire. The relatively temperate environs enjoyed by much of Europe are made possible by the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream. Similarly, much of the eastern coastline of the United States is influenced by the Gulf Stream. And while we’re using the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream as examples, they’re not the only currents being affected by the climate crisis. There are dozens of ocean currents, all playing important roles in climate and ecology, and economic importance for shipping and travel, all around the world. A change, even a small one, in ocean circulation in these areas could have potentially large ramifications on the global climate, as well as marine ecosystems and sea level rise. So where does our oceans being destroyed daily by dumped plastic fit into your eqation zany? I aint seen bumbeurgh yet even mention that fact. Which BTW her idea of net zero increases the Oceans burdens. It doesn't. Climate change and plastic pollution are two completely separate things. You might as well ask where shop lifting fits into climate change. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 20, 2023 18:50:27 GMT
An interesting snippet I picked up when reading something else: The last Ice Age peaked about 26,000 years ago and then the world began to warm (not our fault, just planetary cycles). But the warming trend abruptly reversed in the Younger Dryas, which lasted from about 12,800 to 11,700 years ago.The Younger Dryas was caused by the influx of freshwater to the oceans from melting glaciers, that in turn caused changes in ocean currents, which in turn impacted climate.Any chance this is what is happening right now? May well be a factor. Here's the best info I could find on the subject. Sea currents act in much the way a conveyor belt does, transporting warmer tropical waters to cooler climes, like the UK and Europe in the North Atlantic. But because of the climate crisis, these currents may be weakening and slowing down, more than “at any other time during at least the last 1,000 years.” The results could be dire. The relatively temperate environs enjoyed by much of Europe are made possible by the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream. Similarly, much of the eastern coastline of the United States is influenced by the Gulf Stream. And while we’re using the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream as examples, they’re not the only currents being affected by the climate crisis. There are dozens of ocean currents, all playing important roles in climate and ecology, and economic importance for shipping and travel, all around the world. A change, even a small one, in ocean circulation in these areas could have potentially large ramifications on the global climate, as well as marine ecosystems and sea level rise. Zany I have several times posed this point along with other possibilities like, for instance, Earth's tilt. I think you have ever discounted them. So one exercise for you is to establish whether climate crises are being affected by water currents or or water currents are responsible for the climate crises. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 20, 2023 20:23:33 GMT
So where does our oceans being destroyed daily by dumped plastic fit into your eqation zany? I aint seen bumbeurgh yet even mention that fact. Which BTW her idea of net zero increases the Oceans burdens. It doesn't. Climate change and plastic pollution are two completely separate things. You might as well ask where shop lifting fits into climate change. Far from it, I can remember you clearly stating that weather and climate were two seperate things. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 20, 2023 20:34:02 GMT
May well be a factor. Here's the best info I could find on the subject. Sea currents act in much the way a conveyor belt does, transporting warmer tropical waters to cooler climes, like the UK and Europe in the North Atlantic. But because of the climate crisis, these currents may be weakening and slowing down, more than “at any other time during at least the last 1,000 years.” The results could be dire. The relatively temperate environs enjoyed by much of Europe are made possible by the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream. Similarly, much of the eastern coastline of the United States is influenced by the Gulf Stream. And while we’re using the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream as examples, they’re not the only currents being affected by the climate crisis. There are dozens of ocean currents, all playing important roles in climate and ecology, and economic importance for shipping and travel, all around the world. A change, even a small one, in ocean circulation in these areas could have potentially large ramifications on the global climate, as well as marine ecosystems and sea level rise. Zany I have several times posed this point along with other possibilities like, for instance, Earth's tilt. I think you have ever discounted them. So one exercise for you is to establish whether climate crises are being affected by water currents or or water currents are responsible for the climate crises. The thing that shocks me is the fact that those who beleive that climate change isn't a natural global proggression and will change yet again in times to come. Still maintan and support their own agenda but have done very little research for themselves. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 20, 2023 21:17:24 GMT
May well be a factor. Here's the best info I could find on the subject. Sea currents act in much the way a conveyor belt does, transporting warmer tropical waters to cooler climes, like the UK and Europe in the North Atlantic. But because of the climate crisis, these currents may be weakening and slowing down, more than “at any other time during at least the last 1,000 years.” The results could be dire. The relatively temperate environs enjoyed by much of Europe are made possible by the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream. Similarly, much of the eastern coastline of the United States is influenced by the Gulf Stream. And while we’re using the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream as examples, they’re not the only currents being affected by the climate crisis. There are dozens of ocean currents, all playing important roles in climate and ecology, and economic importance for shipping and travel, all around the world. A change, even a small one, in ocean circulation in these areas could have potentially large ramifications on the global climate, as well as marine ecosystems and sea level rise. Zany I have several times posed this point along with other possibilities like, for instance, Earth's tilt. I think you have ever discounted them. So one exercise for you is to establish whether climate crises are being affected by water currents or or water currents are responsible for the climate crises. I address each point on its own merits. For instance the earths tilt is well recorded and does not change randomly. As for your question on whether oceanic currents effect climate or climate effects them. All climate on earth is driven by heat from the sun and how the earth reacts to it. Co2 is keeping more of that heat on the earth and this effects the temperature of the oceans, the melt of glaciers and the movement of air and water around the planet. So water currents are not responsible for the climate crises they are a result, but one that then also effects the climate. Some of these reactions are what is known as the tipping points. My position has never changed on this. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2023 4:38:28 GMT
Zany I have several times posed this point along with other possibilities like, for instance, Earth's tilt. I think you have ever discounted them. So one exercise for you is to establish whether climate crises are being affected by water currents or or water currents are responsible for the climate crises. I address each point on its own merits. For instance the earths tilt is well recorded and does not change randomly. As for your question on whether oceanic currents effect climate or climate effects them. All climate on earth is driven by heat from the sun and how the earth reacts to it. Co2 is keeping more of that heat on the earth and this effects the temperature of the oceans, the melt of glaciers and the movement of air and water around the planet. So water currents are not responsible for the climate crises they are a result , but one that then also effects the climate. Some of these reactions are what is known as the tipping points. My position has never changed on this. No they are not, They are known as ' Climate Change Indicators' You are taking tipping points out of context. The IPCC defines a 'tipping point' as a "critical threshold beyond which a system reorganizes. And back to plastic and contamination of our oceans that changes the chemistry of water and makes our oceans more acidic which results in increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide which dissolves in the water and further compounds the acididty of our oceans..... Higher acidity affects the balance of minerals in the water, which can make it more difficult for certain marine animals to build their protective 'skeletons or shells', which yet again compounds the negative effect of the pollution. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 21, 2023 7:06:02 GMT
May well be a factor. Here's the best info I could find on the subject. Sea currents act in much the way a conveyor belt does, transporting warmer tropical waters to cooler climes, like the UK and Europe in the North Atlantic. But because of the climate crisis, these currents may be weakening and slowing down, more than “at any other time during at least the last 1,000 years.” The results could be dire. The relatively temperate environs enjoyed by much of Europe are made possible by the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream. Similarly, much of the eastern coastline of the United States is influenced by the Gulf Stream. And while we’re using the North Atlantic Current and the Gulf Stream as examples, they’re not the only currents being affected by the climate crisis. There are dozens of ocean currents, all playing important roles in climate and ecology, and economic importance for shipping and travel, all around the world. A change, even a small one, in ocean circulation in these areas could have potentially large ramifications on the global climate, as well as marine ecosystems and sea level rise. What climate crisis? |
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