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Post by sandypine on Jun 12, 2023 19:31:42 GMT
notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/11/27/david-viners-thing-of-the-past-comes-back-to-haunt-him-again-2/What it indicates is that scientists were happy to allow scare information and false information to be spread around if it helped the warmist agenda. What people believe is largely down to the inability or unwillingness of scientists, and those who disseminate the information to the public, to clearly define what things mean. Many are quite happy to see the 'we are all going to die very soon' win the day as it promotes that sense of urgency that they believe is needed. That does not however make what is said true or indeed what the science says. Are they. Care to give any examples of climatologists saying we will all die soon. I don't believe that has ever happened. As for clearly defining what things mean, I would love to see that but you know as well as I that its far to complicated to explain all the variable outcomes. That's why the deniers find it so easy to cast doubt, all they need to do is find the smallest error in reporting and say SEE! But you've lost. The governments of the world have listened to the science and decided to take action, you are sowing your seeds of doubt to no one. 72% of the public agree AGW is real and that something is done about it. The clue is in the name Extinction rebellion and that group is widely supported by a not insignificant group of climate scientists. The governments of the world have not addressed the science at all, they have listened to the IPCC whose very existence depends on promoting, overseeing and encouraging action and addressing the 'dangers' of climate change as they did when they said 12 years was all we had to save the planet, or was that 'misunderstood'? If you had an International Panel on Paranormal Activity there brief would be to report on Paranormal Activity whether it existed or not. If many people are telling you that an emergency exists and those who say it does not exist are charlatans and in the pocket of big oil and are not given any sort of balanced platform then the polls will reflect that |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 12, 2023 19:35:44 GMT
No personal insults from this end Zany. Just pointing out reality. Then if you are unable to address points and choose instead to demonise the poster, then I choose to ignore you. I am not interested in talking to someone who cannot make decent conversation. That is my choice. It goes like this, I point out that China is building 26 nuclear power stations and the largest wind farm in the world and you do not respond by ignoring it and accusing me of virtual signalling. You answer the point made. You have the rest of the forum that you've nearly killed to spout your filthy language and mindless utterings cheered on by your mates like some school bully. But not in the mind zone. Your choice I doo address them but they fall on deaf ears. That's your choice zany. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2023 19:58:26 GMT
Are they. Care to give any examples of climatologists saying we will all die soon. I don't believe that has ever happened. As for clearly defining what things mean, I would love to see that but you know as well as I that its far to complicated to explain all the variable outcomes. That's why the deniers find it so easy to cast doubt, all they need to do is find the smallest error in reporting and say SEE! But you've lost. The governments of the world have listened to the science and decided to take action, you are sowing your seeds of doubt to no one. 72% of the public agree AGW is real and that something is done about it. The clue is in the name Extinction rebellion and that group is widely supported by a not insignificant group of climate scientists. The governments of the world have not addressed the science at all, they have listened to the IPCC whose very existence depends on promoting, overseeing and encouraging action and addressing the 'dangers' of climate change as they did when they said 12 years was all we had to save the planet, or was that 'misunderstood'? If you had an International Panel on Paranormal Activity there brief would be to report on Paranormal Activity whether it existed or not. If many people are telling you that an emergency exists and those who say it does not exist are charlatans and in the pocket of big oil and are not given any sort of balanced platform then the polls will reflect that Still vague claims of tacit support from scientists. But no mention of the scientists who claim we face extinction |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 12, 2023 20:18:27 GMT
Yet only 2 out of 17 voters in your poll say it is man made. I know your position, of course. Seems you and your fellow believers will have to work harder to convince the non-believers. Its 7 out of 10. But anyway do you think this forum is representative of the public? Well whoever set the poll up must have thought it was; at least you've managed second place, albeit beaten a distance. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2023 20:43:21 GMT
Its 7 out of 10. But anyway do you think this forum is representative of the public? Well whoever set the poll up must have thought it was; at least you've managed second place, albeit beaten a distance. I set the poll up and said in the opening post "I was wondering what the overall view is on here regarding climate change." |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 13, 2023 6:10:26 GMT
Well whoever set the poll up must have thought it was; at least you've managed second place, albeit beaten a distance. I set the poll up and said in the opening post "I was wondering what the overall view is on here regarding climate change." I knew you set the poll up, you said so in the opening post, I was being wicked. As I said in another post, you do things like this to set up what you think is a debate when you don't get the answer you want. Another losing bet, Zany. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 13, 2023 7:06:17 GMT
I set the poll up and said in the opening post "I was wondering what the overall view is on here regarding climate change." I knew you set the poll up, you said so in the opening post, I was being wicked. As I said in another post, you do things like this to set up what you think is a debate when you don't get the answer you want. Another losing bet, Zany. If you say so. I'm interested in the subject, not your opinion of me. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 13, 2023 7:19:22 GMT
Well TBF it has a lot more to say than that. Care to expand? Hole in the ground=Landfill |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 13, 2023 7:21:17 GMT
I knew you set the poll up, you said so in the opening post, I was being wicked. As I said in another post, you do things like this to set up what you think is a debate when you don't get the answer you want. Another losing bet, Zany. If you say so. I'm interested in the subject, not your opinion of me. Well now you know the majority are not with your train of thought. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 13, 2023 10:25:30 GMT
Talking of heat pumps, I mentioned this a few months ago but I think it's worth repeating here. I was talking to a chap who had a heat pump installed, he had the pump installed two or three years ago but we had this discussion a few months ago, anyhoo. He had an outbuilding built for the heat pump which was a substantial bit of kit, in his large back garden. This chap has got a few bob btw but that does not detract from the point. I asked him if he was happy with his heat pump, he hesitated. He said it's OK in the summer, but said he had a woodburner fitted for the winter months because the heat pump doesn't heat the house sufficiently when it's cold! Now this isn't such a big deal for this chap because he's not short of a few bob, but for most people I would have thought the cash outlay for a heat pump was out of the question, let alone a heat pump and a woodburner. Sounds to me like the system isn't large enough. Like fitting too small a gas boiler. There are heat pumps warming entire sky scrapers, so its just a matter of size. That said I am not in favour of trying to force a heat pump to raise temperatures from -5 to 65 degrees. Far better to use them as warm air where they only have to raise temperatures from -5 to 23 degrees. Its asking them to do something they are not best at. I don't know anything about the spec, but knowing this chap I would be very surprised if he didn't have the most suitable, or in his case, the biggest and the best he could find fitted. The building he had built for it is bigger than my garden cave and he even went to the expense of building it with the same brick the house is built of, complete with slate roof. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 13, 2023 10:31:48 GMT
Sounds to me like the system isn't large enough. Like fitting too small a gas boiler. There are heat pumps warming entire sky scrapers, so its just a matter of size. That said I am not in favour of trying to force a heat pump to raise temperatures from -5 to 65 degrees. Far better to use them as warm air where they only have to raise temperatures from -5 to 23 degrees. Its asking them to do something they are not best at. I don't know anything about the spec, but knowing this chap I would be very surprised if he didn't have the most suitable, or in his case, the biggest and the best he could find fitted. The building he had built for it is bigger than my garden cave and he even went to the expense of building it with the same brick the house is built of, complete with slate roof. Applying logic Red. It its possible to build a heat pump that can heat a whole town, then it must be possible to build one that would heat any house up to boiling point if required. Therefore the conclusion is he was badly advised or didn't expect our minus 9c temperatures last winter. (That certainly caught me out with my system. ) I expect it also caught out a number of people with to small gas boilers as well. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 13, 2023 11:43:14 GMT
The clue is in the name Extinction rebellion and that group is widely supported by a not insignificant group of climate scientists. The governments of the world have not addressed the science at all, they have listened to the IPCC whose very existence depends on promoting, overseeing and encouraging action and addressing the 'dangers' of climate change as they did when they said 12 years was all we had to save the planet, or was that 'misunderstood'? If you had an International Panel on Paranormal Activity there brief would be to report on Paranormal Activity whether it existed or not. If many people are telling you that an emergency exists and those who say it does not exist are charlatans and in the pocket of big oil and are not given any sort of balanced platform then the polls will reflect that Still vague claims of tacit support from scientists. But no mention of the scientists who claim we face extinction It is only 'vague' because you wish it not to be so. Some even contributed to the IPCC report and you can check all that info www.independent.co.uk/news/science/extinction-rebellion-protests-scientists-climate-change-london-amsterdam-a9154336.htmlIf you want the names do the research, we have the numbers which is about 400 according to the article and "While many scientists have shunned overt political debate, fearing that being perceived as activists might undermine their claims to objectivity, the 395 academics who had signed the declaration by 11am on Sunday chose to defy convention. “The urgency of the crisis is now so great that many scientists feel, as humans, that we now have a moral duty to take radical action,” Ms Grossman told Reuters." As I said the 'we are all going to die' scenario. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 13, 2023 12:35:34 GMT
Still vague claims of tacit support from scientists. But no mention of the scientists who claim we face extinction It is only 'vague' because you wish it not to be so. Some even contributed to the IPCC report and you can check all that info www.independent.co.uk/news/science/extinction-rebellion-protests-scientists-climate-change-london-amsterdam-a9154336.htmlIf you want the names do the research, we have the numbers which is about 400 according to the article and "While many scientists have shunned overt political debate, fearing that being perceived as activists might undermine their claims to objectivity, the 395 academics who had signed the declaration by 11am on Sunday chose to defy convention. “The urgency of the crisis is now so great that many scientists feel, as humans, that we now have a moral duty to take radical action,” Ms Grossman told Reuters." As I said the 'we are all going to die' scenario. I have just had an email from cellpack which I use a lot. They are now charging 60 quid per gram for anything with lithium content...A bargain not. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 13, 2023 13:18:25 GMT
Didn't quite understand what you were talking about Jonksy, but just found this: Effective from June 12th, 2023, Cell Pack Solutions will be implementing a surcharge of £60 for the shipment of batteries with a lithium content over 1g per base cell (2g for battery packs). We understand that this may come as a surprise, so we would like to take this opportunity to explain the reasons behind this decision and assure you that it is necessary to comply with shipping regulations. cellpacksolutions.co.uk/news/public-relations/lithium-battery-shipments/The green dream becomes more expensive by the day. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 13, 2023 14:54:32 GMT
Didn't quite understand what you were talking about Jonksy, but just found this: Effective from June 12th, 2023, Cell Pack Solutions will be implementing a surcharge of £60 for the shipment of batteries with a lithium content over 1g per base cell (2g for battery packs). We understand that this may come as a surprise, so we would like to take this opportunity to explain the reasons behind this decision and assure you that it is necessary to comply with shipping regulations. cellpacksolutions.co.uk/news/public-relations/lithium-battery-shipments/The green dream becomes more expensive by the day. I wonder if the ECO zealots will have the same gumtion to do a bit of reserach them selves Red? The lazy sods expect evryone else to do the legwork for them... |
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