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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 8:04:51 GMT
I've never had an EV, and never will, I cant afford one. And I say that as someone who drives a proper car, a car that has a beautiful huge diesel V8 under the bonnet, oh it's lovelly. And it doesn't have any EV tech that constantly records my movements.  I doubt you’ll get much choice,they plan on driving (excuse the pun) the internal combustion powered off the road. They're already talking about car sharing,not being able to drive on certain days of the week lowering speed limits to cut pollution 🤬of course such inconveniences will only apply to the plebs. As for being tracked the array of anpr cameras do that and the cashless society will see your every move and finances logged,again only the plebs. I agree, although there are no ANPR cameras in this neck of the woods. They tend to be on main roads don't they. As for a cashless society, I suppose it's the direction of travel, although I do my bit to fight against it. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 8:24:36 GMT
I've never had an EV, and never will, I cant afford one. And I say that as someone who drives a proper car, a car that has a beautiful huge diesel V8 under the bonnet, oh it's lovelly. And it doesn't have any EV tech that constantly records my movements. Until ofcourse they tell you at your next MoT they are fitting that little tamper proof tracking device that records all the info. That's where I see the future. Speeding, driving in restricted areas etc etc will be read at MOT each year and your MOT bill will be £600 quid for you huge beautiful climate destroying V8 And bet my 1600cc plus electric motor big beautiful Kia Sorrento could blow you off the road.  |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 11, 2023 8:47:21 GMT
I suspect that you are being deliberately obtuse. If the eco worriers want to be taken seriously by grown ups then they should head up their campaign with scientists qualified on the subject . As long as you and the rest of the eco worriers aren’t bothered about who heads up the campaign then the rest of us won’t be bothered about you. The fact that you compared Paul O Grady and Battersea dog home with Thunberg and AGW pretty much makes my point for me . Firstly we only have your opinion that eco warriors don't know their stuff. But mostly this As long as you and the rest of the eco worriers aren’t bothered about who heads up the campaign then the rest of us won’t be bothered about you.You don't get it do you. The race is run, the scientists won, governments recognise AGW and are taking action to slow and stop it. No one needs to convince "The rest of us" you are just being dragged along complaining about stuff they have no knowledge of and no desire to investigate. The only things "The rest of us" looks at is blogs from non scientists that support their views. Why concern yourself with current glacial melt and huge wild fires when you can find a blogger who says temperatures aren't being measured properly at a couple of station because they are to near a building. Why look at the issue of Co2 emissions from vehicles when a blogger can show you a picture of a lithium mine so you can claim batteries are polluting. With no understanding of the difference between local damage to a tiny bit of the environment and global climate change. Perhaps its time "The rest of us" looked at their own representatives. So why, according to those you support, is the the temperature still rising. And yes, I did, like most of us, have and always had a point but you just keep missing out. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 8:58:33 GMT
Firstly we only have your opinion that eco warriors don't know their stuff. But mostly this As long as you and the rest of the eco worriers aren’t bothered about who heads up the campaign then the rest of us won’t be bothered about you.You don't get it do you. The race is run, the scientists won, governments recognise AGW and are taking action to slow and stop it. No one needs to convince "The rest of us" you are just being dragged along complaining about stuff they have no knowledge of and no desire to investigate. The only things "The rest of us" looks at is blogs from non scientists that support their views. Why concern yourself with current glacial melt and huge wild fires when you can find a blogger who says temperatures aren't being measured properly at a couple of station because they are to near a building. Why look at the issue of Co2 emissions from vehicles when a blogger can show you a picture of a lithium mine so you can claim batteries are polluting. With no understanding of the difference between local damage to a tiny bit of the environment and global climate change. Perhaps its time "The rest of us" looked at their own representatives. So why, according to those you support, is the the temperature still rising. Because it is. Not interested in you saying you had a point or points. Only in points that are made clearly and backed up. IMO "We're still using the wheel, have you found an alternative?" does not fit that description. The obvious answer is nothing better has come along, but that assumes you missed the point again. However without the back up who knows what you meant. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 9:00:18 GMT
I've never had an EV, and never will, I cant afford one. And I say that as someone who drives a proper car, a car that has a beautiful huge diesel V8 under the bonnet, oh it's lovelly. And it doesn't have any EV tech that constantly records my movements. Until ofcourse they tell you at your next MoT they are fitting that little tamper proof tracking device that records all the info. That's where I see the future. Speeding, driving in restricted areas etc etc will be read at MOT each year and your MOT bill will be £600 quid for you huge beautiful climate destroying V8 And bet my 1600cc plus electric motor big beautiful Kia Sorrento could blow you off the road. No one will ever fit a tracker on any vehicle I own, and neither of our cars are destroying the climate. Yes small minded lefties who suffer from some sort of envy disorder see it as a gas guzzler that's destroying the world (LOL) but it's 13 years old and will in all likelihood be good for another 13 years. Yes it's quite heavy, in fact it's about the same weight as an EV the difference being it wasn't nearly as environmentally damaging to build and when it does eventually come to the end of it's life it will be a lot more environmentally friendly to dispose of. And the thought of you, in an outsize EV 'blowing me off the road' is, lets be generous and say, amusing. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 11, 2023 10:25:47 GMT
Actually there's an article in the Times today claiming that the most environmentally-friendly form of motoring over the long term is for everyone to keep their ICE vehicles going for as long as possible, gas-guzzler or not, but to power them not with petrol or diesel but with E-fuel — synthetic fuel made from carbon dioxide and water currently used to power racing cars. Porsche has already successfully lobbied the EU to exempt E-fuel ICE engines from the looming ban. It's certainly a thought. Is keeping your gas-guzzler greener than buying an electric car?"...few years ago, an American research company ranked vehicles according to their carbon footprint. To most people’s surprise, the Jeep Wrangler, a gas-guzzling 4x4, came out one of the best. It easily beat the Toyota Prius, which at the time was the darling of eco-warriors and image-conscious Hollywood stars. How come? Because people who bought Wranglers tended to keep them for a long time. The Jeep was solidly built and its classic design barely changed from year to year, so owners saw no need to replace it. Using “dust-to-dust” emissions calculations that account for manufacturing, mining and recycling, as well as fuel consumption, the Wrangler outdid cars that seemed superficially greener." |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 11, 2023 10:31:35 GMT
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Post by Orac on Jun 11, 2023 10:33:42 GMT
The argument for Battery evs over efficient Ics on environmental (Co2) grounds is pretty marginal - ie there may be some co2 advantage if you make the right assumptions.
However, switching is an extremely bad trade because of the gigantic inconvenience incurred. Doing it the hard way and wearing everyone out.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 11, 2023 11:58:25 GMT
I suspect that you are being deliberately obtuse. If the eco worriers want to be taken seriously by grown ups then they should head up their campaign with scientists qualified on the subject . As long as you and the rest of the eco worriers aren’t bothered about who heads up the campaign then the rest of us won’t be bothered about you. The fact that you compared Paul O Grady and Battersea dog home with Thunberg and AGW pretty much makes my point for me . Firstly we only have your opinion that eco warriors don't know their stuff. But mostly this As long as you and the rest of the eco worriers aren’t bothered about who heads up the campaign then the rest of us won’t be bothered about you.You don't get it do you. The race is run, the scientists won, governments recognise AGW and are taking action to slow and stop it. No one needs to convince "The rest of us" you are just being dragged along complaining about stuff they have no knowledge of and no desire to investigate. The only things "The rest of us" looks at is blogs from non scientists that support their views. Why concern yourself with current glacial melt and huge wild fires when you can find a blogger who says temperatures aren't being measured properly at a couple of station because they are to near a building. Why look at the issue of Co2 emissions from vehicles when a blogger can show you a picture of a lithium mine so you can claim batteries are polluting. With no understanding of the difference between local damage to a tiny bit of the environment and global climate change. Perhaps its time "The rest of us" looked at their own representatives. Dont put words in my mouth . I never said that Eco worriers don’t know their stuff. I said that the ones heading up the campaign are not qualified and range from vulnerable children to old TV presenters who know the way dissenters go ( David Bellamy, Jonny Ball) . The Eco worriers are taking the evangelical route to the hearts and minds of the public. Using people like you tell tell sceptics that they are unenlightened and ignorant if they don’t agree with you and quite a bit of patronising ( “oh all you need us several thousand pounds to take out your perfectly usable heating system and replace it with one like mine “). Nope the race isn’t run. The goal has been set( big difference )but the race is going to be a series of relays , each one possibly becoming slower and slower. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 12:23:02 GMT
Until ofcourse they tell you at your next MoT they are fitting that little tamper proof tracking device that records all the info. That's where I see the future. Speeding, driving in restricted areas etc etc will be read at MOT each year and your MOT bill will be £600 quid for you huge beautiful climate destroying V8 And bet my 1600cc plus electric motor big beautiful Kia Sorrento could blow you off the road. No one will ever fit a tracker on any vehicle I own, and neither of our cars are destroying the climate. Yes small minded lefties who suffer from some sort of envy disorder see it as a gas guzzler that's destroying the world (LOL) but it's 13 years old and will in all likelihood be good for another 13 years. Yes it's quite heavy, in fact it's about the same weight as an EV the difference being it wasn't nearly as environmentally damaging to build and when it does eventually come to the end of it's life it will be a lot more environmentally friendly to dispose of. I bet someone once said no one will ever fit an odometer on my car. Lol. The empty warriors. And I see your still clinging to the idea that EV's are more environmentally damaging, been disproved that one. Naah you would not be thinking, you'd be crunching your gears and choking on my dust.  Have you ever been in an electric car? They are scarily quick. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 12:46:59 GMT
No one will ever fit a tracker on any vehicle I own, and neither of our cars are destroying the climate. Yes small minded lefties who suffer from some sort of envy disorder see it as a gas guzzler that's destroying the world (LOL) but it's 13 years old and will in all likelihood be good for another 13 years. Yes it's quite heavy, in fact it's about the same weight as an EV the difference being it wasn't nearly as environmentally damaging to build and when it does eventually come to the end of it's life it will be a lot more environmentally friendly to dispose of. I bet someone once said no one will ever fit an odometer on my car. Lol. The empty warriors. And I see your still clinging to the idea that EV's are more environmentally damaging, been disproved that one. Naah you would not be thinking, you'd be crunching your gears and choking on my dust. Have you ever been in an electric car? They are scarily quick. ZG, an odometer records your mileage, not your movements. And as far as an EV being environmentally friendly is concerned, EV batteries require cobalt which is linked to child labour in Africa and South America. As well as cobalt EV batteries also consist of rare earth metals like nickel and lithium which are energy intensive to mine and ship all over the world, and an environmental nightmare to dispose of. I agree EV's have good torque from 0 to 30 ish. Bit like milk floats lol. It would be difficult to crunch the gears on an auto, bury your foot into the carpet and it goes like stink as you're quietly pushed back into your leather armchair. Of course it doesn't do much for your MPG but it's nice to know it's there if required. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 11, 2023 13:17:04 GMT
I bet someone once said no one will ever fit an odometer on my car. Lol. The empty warriors. And I see your still clinging to the idea that EV's are more environmentally damaging, been disproved that one. Naah you would not be thinking, you'd be crunching your gears and choking on my dust. Have you ever been in an electric car? They are scarily quick. Yes Red, that's why I said "I bet someone once said no one will ever fit an odometer on my car." Why do you think it was necessary to make odometers tamper proof? And do you think some people might not have liked that because they wanted to break the law and not get caught. So very similar to a device that records your speed. Here's someone saying you'll never fit one on my car because they wish to break the law and not get caught. Yes, that was the argument that was disproven. They use Lithium which is linked to child labour and environmental damage in Africa, just as oil is linked to the same, but that apparently escaped your notice. As for the energy comparison in building a fuelling a diesel compared to an EV. That unfavourable comparison was yet another click bait lying blogger hoping to attract the small minded. He managed the comparison by assuming an EV would need a new battery every five years, based no science at all. That's why I said it had been disproven. It went alongside the stupid claim that thousands of EV batteries had piled up because they couldn't be disposed of. Which turned out in truth to be. That thousands of EV batteries could pile up if they only last a few years and no one reuses them. Naah The motor takes you all the way to 80 at the same acceleration, that's the way electric motors work, no torque loss, no gear change. As for luxury, here's the inside of my milk float.   |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 14:05:03 GMT
I suspect that you are being deliberately obtuse. If the eco worriers want to be taken seriously by grown ups then they should head up their campaign with scientists qualified on the subject . As long as you and the rest of the eco worriers aren’t bothered about who heads up the campaign then the rest of us won’t be bothered about you. The fact that you compared Paul O Grady and Battersea dog home with Thunberg and AGW pretty much makes my point for me . Firstly we only have your opinion that eco warriors don't know their stuff. But mostly this As long as you and the rest of the eco worriers aren’t bothered about who heads up the campaign then the rest of us won’t be bothered about you.You don't get it do you. The race is run, the scientists won, governments recognise AGW and are taking action to slow and stop it. No one needs to convince "The rest of us" you are just being dragged along complaining about stuff they have no knowledge of and no desire to investigate. The only things "The rest of us" looks at is blogs from non scientists that support their views. Why concern yourself with current glacial melt and huge wild fires when you can find a blogger who says temperatures aren't being measured properly at a couple of station because they are to near a building. Why look at the issue of Co2 emissions from vehicles when a blogger can show you a picture of a lithium mine so you can claim batteries are polluting. With no understanding of the difference between local damage to a tiny bit of the environment and global climate change. Perhaps its time "The rest of us" looked at their own representatives. I don't think we can trust you, though. You are easily duped by false stories about hurricanes. You believe that heat can be multiplied. You are taken in by an if but maybe story about El Niño which is happening, but has been embellished to be a scare story. www.independent.co.uk/weather/el-nino-uk-weather-weekend-b2355114.html |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 11, 2023 14:05:46 GMT
ZG, I don't have any photos although there are plenty on the internet. The most obvious difference between your milk float and my luxury car is what it says in the centre of the steering wheel. |
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Post by besoeker3 on Jun 11, 2023 14:08:07 GMT
A tale or two. I ysed to travel quite a lot, mostly on business. One trip was 400 miles. I had sufficient fuel and did it in a single stint. Not EV territory.
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