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Post by zanygame on Jun 7, 2023 17:57:10 GMT
Of course you are wrong - again. The UK has some of the oldest housing stock in Europe and as such much of it is inherently unsuitable for the type of heating heat pumps provide. I'm not sure what you base this on as you have absolutely no knowledge of how heat pumps even work. The air source heat pumps I use to heat my home would quite happily heat any home just as easily as bunch of a fan heaters. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 7, 2023 17:58:07 GMT
My home is heated with heat pumps for the last 3 years, work well and cost about the same as gas central heating. My car is a PHEV 
I guess that makes you one too.
Almost certainly. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 7, 2023 18:29:50 GMT
Why? How accurate do they think this is? Which brings me back to a point I made earlier which you slipped by: Your argument is twisted, instead of arguing with Sandy you would be arguing with Besoeker were his personal temperature records showing Earth cooling rather than heating.Are you being selective? Why do they publish the highest temperatures? Why not they've done it for decades if not centuries. How accurate is it. Very. Why would I argue with Besoeker on this, he is just pointing out reading he has got from his local thermometer, I have no idea what the conditions Besoeker has at his home and he is not making any claims about global warming based upon the readings. Why would they publish figures that are not typical. Heathrow regularly records high summer temperatures but you wouldn't normally record those temperatures even half a mile away from where they're taken. The same will apply to other recordings of both high and low temperatures. Well I think the following somewhat clashes with what you are now saying: Funny how his readings can be dismissed as singular and unimportant yet your cherry picked ones from Heathrow et al are to be considered typical.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 7, 2023 18:48:58 GMT
Why do they publish the highest temperatures? Why not they've done it for decades if not centuries. How accurate is it. Very. Why would I argue with Besoeker on this, he is just pointing out reading he has got from his local thermometer, I have no idea what the conditions Besoeker has at his home and he is not making any claims about global warming based upon the readings. Why would they publish figures that are not typical. Heathrow regularly records high summer temperatures but you wouldn't normally record those temperatures even half a mile away from where they're taken. The same will apply to other recordings of both high and low temperatures. Well I think the following somewhat clashes with what you are now saying: Funny how his readings can be dismissed as singular and unimportant yet your cherry picked ones from Heathrow et al are to be considered typical.
They publish all figures, it was Sandypine that pointed to Heathrow not the IPCC. The met office declared Cambridge the place where the highest temperature was declared. That was the point at which Sandypine tried to say Cambridge botanical gardens was a weather hot spot. 😆 |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 7, 2023 19:46:05 GMT
Why would they publish figures that are not typical. Heathrow regularly records high summer temperatures but you wouldn't normally record those temperatures even half a mile away from where they're taken. The same will apply to other recordings of both high and low temperatures. Well I think the following somewhat clashes with what you are now saying: Funny how his readings can be dismissed as singular and unimportant yet your cherry picked ones from Heathrow et al are to be considered typical.
They publish all figures, it was Sandypine that pointed to Heathrow not the IPCC. The met office declared Cambridge the place where the highest temperature was declared. That was the point at which Sandypine tried to say Cambridge botanical gardens was a weather hot spot. 😆 I think you mean they publish all weather station figures. What would be the point of that when some weather stations are not positioned in typical areas, ones like Norwich which often registers as the coldest when it's far colder 20 miles north? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 7, 2023 20:45:21 GMT
They publish all figures, it was Sandypine that pointed to Heathrow not the IPCC. The met office declared Cambridge the place where the highest temperature was declared. That was the point at which Sandypine tried to say Cambridge botanical gardens was a weather hot spot. 😆 I think you mean they publish all weather station figures. What would be the point of that when some weather stations are not positioned in typical areas, ones like Norwich which often registers as the coldest when it's far colder 20 miles north? You'd have to ask them, but if Norwich hasn't changed then its good to compare it to its own historical records. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 7, 2023 21:40:54 GMT
Of course you are wrong - again. The UK has some of the oldest housing stock in Europe and as such much of it is inherently unsuitable for the type of heating heat pumps provide. I'm not sure what you base this on as you have absolutely no knowledge of how heat pumps even work. The air source heat pumps I use to heat my home would quite happily heat any home just as easily as bunch of a fan heaters. Most homes in the UK are not heated by fan heaters .. heat pumps, by design, are unsuitable for much of the housing stock. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 8, 2023 2:43:07 GMT
The climate does its own thing and just because a few bumburgh deciples were fooled by a bloody snotty nosed kid they think they have the answer FFS. The only real threat to the planet are the arseholes who rushed out and purchased useless heat pumps and frigging EV's do you know anyone like that? LOL Whats wrong with heat pumps? Whats good about them? |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 8, 2023 2:56:04 GMT
Of course you are wrong - again. The UK has some of the oldest housing stock in Europe and as such much of it is inherently unsuitable for the type of heating heat pumps provide. Even now the newest builds are now finding out the downfalls of these noisy inefficient peices of junk. The site I am on now out of the 112 completd houses 32 people fell into the ECO trap and had them installed from new. Out of that 32 23 have already been removed along with 2 more to follow. I wonder now why newbuilds are being built with proper flues and chimneys. And as for EV's every year we hear the same old bullshit about battery breakthroughs and life expectancy being increased which is total hogwash. Anyone would think that they had acheived perpetual motion to listen to some of these morons who publish this total BS about batteries. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 8, 2023 5:36:17 GMT
I'm not sure what you base this on as you have absolutely no knowledge of how heat pumps even work. The air source heat pumps I use to heat my home would quite happily heat any home just as easily as bunch of a fan heaters. Most homes in the UK are not heated by fan heaters .. heat pumps, by design, are unsuitable for much of the housing stock. Of course they are not heated by fan heaters. Are you saying that they couldn't be heated by fan heaters and if so why not? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 8, 2023 5:39:30 GMT
Of course you are wrong - again. The UK has some of the oldest housing stock in Europe and as such much of it is inherently unsuitable for the type of heating heat pumps provide. Even now the newest builds are now finding out the downfalls of these noisy inefficient peices of junk. The site I am on now out of the 112 completd houses 32 people fell into the ECO trap and had them installed from new. Out of that 32 23 have already been removed along with 2 more to follow. I wonder now why newbuilds are being built with proper flues and chimneys. And as for EV's every year we hear the same old bullshit about battery breakthroughs and life expectancy being increased which is total hogwash. Anyone would think that they had acheived perpetual motion to listen to some of these morons who publish this total BS about batteries. Which site is that then? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2023 6:32:57 GMT
Most homes in the UK are not heated by fan heaters .. heat pumps, by design, are unsuitable for much of the housing stock. Of course they are not heated by fan heaters. Are you saying that they couldn't be heated by fan heaters and if so why not? People have moved on - they like the convenience of central heating. Yes we could go back to the days of open coal fires or plug in fan heaters but if the 'vision' of going green and saving the planet is that people have to reduce the quality of their lives then I doubt many are going to want to sign up. If you want to replace gas central heating throughout the land you need to have something that is at least as good (if not better). Heat pumps do not tick that box. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 8, 2023 6:57:38 GMT
Of course they are not heated by fan heaters. Are you saying that they couldn't be heated by fan heaters and if so why not? People have moved on - they like the convenience of central heating. Yes we could go back to the days of open coal fires or plug in fan heaters but if the 'vision' of going green and saving the planet is that people have to reduce the quality of their lives then I doubt many are going to want to sign up. If you want to replace gas central heating throughout the land you need to have something that is at least as good (if not better). Heat pumps do not tick that box. So a heat pump is a new type of fan heater, one that doesn't produce 80 degrees in front of itself and rely on heat transfer to move it around the room. It produces a constant flow of gently moving air at 22 degrees. Hence the entire area of my house is a constant 22 degrees summer or winter. Central heating is dated, the idea of heating a radiator to 65 degrees and hoping it will distribute the heat evenly around the room and house is out of date. Sure it was better than a coal fire, but its not better than a heat pump. Why can't heat pumps be fitted on current housing stock, what are the reasons? Can they not fit these on the outside of current housing stock (They seem to manage with air con units.)  can they not fit these on the inside of current housing stock?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2023 7:12:18 GMT
They suffer from the same problem as fan heaters - as soon as they are switched off the heating effect stops, you have no residual heat. Hence you need a fan whirring 24/7 to keep the temperature up.
Now for some people they might not mind the noise but I'd suggest that for many used to the silence and efficiency of central heating that would be a step backwards.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 8, 2023 7:12:49 GMT
Even now the newest builds are now finding out the downfalls of these noisy inefficient peices of junk. The site I am on now out of the 112 completd houses 32 people fell into the ECO trap and had them installed from new. Out of that 32 23 have already been removed along with 2 more to follow. I wonder now why newbuilds are being built with proper flues and chimneys. And as for EV's every year we hear the same old bullshit about battery breakthroughs and life expectancy being increased which is total hogwash. Anyone would think that they had acheived perpetual motion to listen to some of these morons who publish this total BS about batteries. Which site is that then? Barrats Paignton Excess |
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