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Post by sandypine on Jun 1, 2023 7:05:13 GMT
Every proposed housing development has a campaign against it - and you are being daft if you think it is just Tories. The LibDems are against a housing development in West London on a disused sewage plant, Labour politicians won a campaign against a housing development in East London on a car park - the LibDems win parliamentary seats from The Tories by promising to fight housing developments etc etc. You need to get out of your anti-Tory silo and discover what is really happening in the world. Every proposed road has a campaign against it. You finding one or two campaigned against by other parties does not absolve the current government of blame. Many people moan that inviting half a million people a year to move to the UK requires a new town to be built every year. So the Tories invite the immigrants where are the new towns? Why just blame the Tories. It started with NewLabour at current levels. All our governments in the last twenty five years have praised immigration at extremely high levels, all electorates for the last twenty five years have voted for much less immigration and been lied to and ignored. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is the actuality that can be seen in the historical record. What the people want is roundly ignored and that indicates that somewhere and somehow a different set of policies is being enacted that are separate from and with no relationship at all to the democratic process. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 1, 2023 7:12:50 GMT
If only it was that easy. Those spiteful left wingers wanting affordable homes for those on lower incomes. How dare they, when we grew up your house cost about 4 times your income. Now it costs 9 times your income. Well we managed, why can't they. Its just spite. Catch 22, if you want more houses when do you stop allowing mass unskilled immigration topped up by illegal immigration? So even if we agree to build you a million cheap houses it would never be enough. Indeed. Where's the joined up thinking. Ah wait, here it is. Your backers are rich land owners, so what can be better than increasing demand, limiting supply and Little Lord Fontalroy finds his estates are worth another 3 or 4 Bn quid.  |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 1, 2023 7:16:01 GMT
Every proposed road has a campaign against it. You finding one or two campaigned against by other parties does not absolve the current government of blame. Many people moan that inviting half a million people a year to move to the UK requires a new town to be built every year. So the Tories invite the immigrants where are the new towns? Why just blame the Tories. It started with NewLabour at current levels. All our governments in the last twenty five years have praised immigration at extremely high levels, all electorates for the last twenty five years have voted for much less immigration and been lied to and ignored. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is the actuality that can be seen in the historical record. What the people want is roundly ignored and that indicates that somewhere and somehow a different set of policies is being enacted that are separate from and with no relationship at all to the democratic process. I blame the Tories because they are the party in power and have been for 13 years. How long do they have to be in power before they are responsible in your opinion. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 1, 2023 7:22:19 GMT
Every proposed road has a campaign against it. You finding one or two campaigned against by other parties does not absolve the current government of blame. Many people moan that inviting half a million people a year to move to the UK requires a new town to be built every year. So the Tories invite the immigrants where are the new towns? Why just blame the Tories. It started with NewLabour at current levels. All our governments in the last twenty five years have praised immigration at extremely high levels, all electorates for the last twenty five years have voted for much less immigration and been lied to and ignored. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is the actuality that can be seen in the historical record. What the people want is roundly ignored and that indicates that somewhere and somehow a different set of policies is being enacted that are separate from and with no relationship at all to the democratic process. Conspiracy fact then, I am thinking by now a lot of people might be noticing the infrastructure is beyond coping and what a mountainous task it would be just to try and get it back on an even keel. Which in actual fact civil servants and politicians point blank refuse to recognise bury their heads in the sand and carry on with a policy which nobody voted for instead. All for our own good again no doubt. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 1, 2023 7:29:41 GMT
Why just blame the Tories. It started with NewLabour at current levels. All our governments in the last twenty five years have praised immigration at extremely high levels, all electorates for the last twenty five years have voted for much less immigration and been lied to and ignored. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is the actuality that can be seen in the historical record. What the people want is roundly ignored and that indicates that somewhere and somehow a different set of policies is being enacted that are separate from and with no relationship at all to the democratic process. I blame the Tories because they are the party in power and have been for 13 years. How long do they have to be in power before they are responsible in your opinion. No you don't you blame the Norman land barons you just said so. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 1, 2023 7:32:30 GMT
Why just blame the Tories. It started with NewLabour at current levels. All our governments in the last twenty five years have praised immigration at extremely high levels, all electorates for the last twenty five years have voted for much less immigration and been lied to and ignored. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is the actuality that can be seen in the historical record. What the people want is roundly ignored and that indicates that somewhere and somehow a different set of policies is being enacted that are separate from and with no relationship at all to the democratic process. Conspiracy fact then, I am thinking by now a lot of people might be noticing the infrastructure is beyond coping and what a mountainous task it would be just to try and get it back on an even keel. Which in actual fact civil servants and politicians point blank refuse to recognise bury their heads in the sand and carry on with a policy which nobody voted for instead. All for our own good again no doubt. An impossible situation. You increase the population every year to increase tax take (because the public don't want to find the increases or accept cuts in service) You delay building infrastructure because that would take up the extra tax the migrants bring in. You promise the public you will stop it next year, but then you need the money so once again you invite another half million. We could blame weak government, but we share the blame because we don't want to face the facts either. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 1, 2023 7:34:20 GMT
I blame the Tories because they are the party in power and have been for 13 years. How long do they have to be in power before they are responsible in your opinion. No you don't you blame the Norman land barons you just said so. Yes that's the reason the Tories have made no attempt to fix things. What's your point? |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 1, 2023 7:36:15 GMT
No you don't you blame the Norman land barons you just said so. Yes that's the reason the Tories have made no attempt to fix things. What's your point? I already told you my point, it is catch 22, which Sandy pointed it out as well, Labour are lying through their back teeth as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 8:20:17 GMT
Every proposed road has a campaign against it. You finding one or two campaigned against by other parties does not absolve the current government of blame. Many people moan that inviting half a million people a year to move to the UK requires a new town to be built every year. So the Tories invite the immigrants where are the new towns? The current government introduced a planning regime that overrode the objections of locals - the electorate didnt like that and started voting against the government and for the other parties who promised to stop imposed housebuilding targets. Hence the government scrapped that policy. The people do not want more housebuilding. The ones who are already comfortable in their nice little homes might not. But the great many not on the housing ladder, who cannot afford to buy and probably paying extortionate rents or still living with their parents into middle age surely do. And there are more of the latter than the former. You do not speak for the people. You speak for people like you. And arrogantly assume that the two are the same thing. |
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Post by Orac on Jun 1, 2023 9:14:09 GMT
Why just blame the Tories. It started with NewLabour at current levels. All our governments in the last twenty five years have praised immigration at extremely high levels, all electorates for the last twenty five years have voted for much less immigration and been lied to and ignored. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is the actuality that can be seen in the historical record. What the people want is roundly ignored and that indicates that somewhere and somehow a different set of policies is being enacted that are separate from and with no relationship at all to the democratic process. Conspiracy fact then, I am thinking by now a lot of people might be noticing the infrastructure is beyond coping and what a mountainous task it would be just to try and get it back on an even keel. Which in actual fact civil servants and politicians point blank refuse to recognise bury their heads in the sand and carry on with a policy which nobody voted for instead. All for our own good again no doubt. It's hard to see how you would hold such an unpopular policy in place for decades, in a notional democracy, without some significant conspiracy to do so. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 1, 2023 10:36:44 GMT
Why just blame the Tories. It started with NewLabour at current levels. All our governments in the last twenty five years have praised immigration at extremely high levels, all electorates for the last twenty five years have voted for much less immigration and been lied to and ignored. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is the actuality that can be seen in the historical record. What the people want is roundly ignored and that indicates that somewhere and somehow a different set of policies is being enacted that are separate from and with no relationship at all to the democratic process. I blame the Tories because they are the party in power and have been for 13 years. How long do they have to be in power before they are responsible in your opinion. 100 days, which is the point, all parties follow similar polices at odds with what they present to the electorate and generally in line with policies and ideas outlined in Davos, Bilderburger, 40 cities etc. etc. The likes of Khan should not be enacting ideas gleaned from his international relationships he should be considering London, his duty is to London and Londoners international policy is a National Government responsibility. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jun 1, 2023 13:05:13 GMT
Where I live general planning permission was granted for 1200 new homes, built by 5 different house builders, which included a school, GP surgery, pub, shops and a large park.
Each phase of 100 or so homes has to get through further planning. The house builder that built my house has given up building anymore because it takes them 2-3 years to get each phase passed. They have sold the land, which has now been sold on a further three times because it is so hard to get planning permission. The current owner of the land has permission for 125 houses but they cannot get the access road passed because the people who moved in on the first phases keep getting permission blocked. Until it is finished, you guessed it, no school, GP, shops and park because some fucking the planning system is so broken that the first people to move into the estate are blocking the completion of the rest of it!
In my opinion they would be better building entire new towns and cities, with affordable housing at the centre, then fan out to more expensive ones in the suburbs. There is plenty of room for this, we have vast areas of nothing in the UK.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 1, 2023 16:21:23 GMT
I blame the Tories because they are the party in power and have been for 13 years. How long do they have to be in power before they are responsible in your opinion. 100 days, which is the point, all parties follow similar polices at odds with what they present to the electorate and generally in line with policies and ideas outlined in Davos, Bilderburger, 40 cities etc. etc. The likes of Khan should not be enacting ideas gleaned from his international relationships he should be considering London, his duty is to London and Londoners international policy is a National Government responsibility. I suspect you are talking about stopping immigration and I am talking about providing enough housing. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 1, 2023 16:23:00 GMT
Where I live general planning permission was granted for 1200 new homes, built by 5 different house builders, which included a school, GP surgery, pub, shops and a large park. Each phase of 100 or so homes has to get through further planning. The house builder that built my house has given up building anymore because it takes them 2-3 years to get each phase passed. They have sold the land, which has now been sold on a further three times because it is so hard to get planning permission. The current owner of the land has permission for 125 houses but they cannot get the access road passed because the people who moved in on the first phases keep getting permission blocked. Until it is finished, you guessed it, no school, GP, shops and park because some fucking the planning system is so broken that the first people to move into the estate are blocking the completion of the rest of it! In my opinion they would be better building entire new towns and cities, with affordable housing at the centre, then fan out to more expensive ones in the suburbs. There is plenty of room for this, we have vast areas of nothing in the UK. We agree here DD. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 1, 2023 16:47:53 GMT
The current government introduced a planning regime that overrode the objections of locals - the electorate didnt like that and started voting against the government and for the other parties who promised to stop imposed housebuilding targets. Hence the government scrapped that policy. The people do not want more housebuilding. The ones who are already comfortable in their nice little homes might not. But the great many not on the housing ladder, who cannot afford to buy and probably paying extortionate rents or still living with their parents into middle age surely do. And there are more of the latter than the former. You do not speak for the people. You speak for people like you. And arrogantly assume that the two are the same thing. I'm not speaking for anyone - I'm pointing out what people actually vote for. |
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