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Post by Orac on May 31, 2023 19:39:57 GMT
Hahaha, and who might occupy the middle ground? Their easy to spot. The ones who's opinions are varied. Do you mean muddled? |
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Post by zanygame on May 31, 2023 20:09:35 GMT
Their easy to spot. The ones who's opinions are varied. Do you mean muddled? Colours may well appear that way to someone who sees in monochrome. |
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Post by Toreador on May 31, 2023 20:24:31 GMT
Well riddle-me-re.
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Post by Pacifico on May 31, 2023 21:19:56 GMT
I agree with you Well we can tackle housing costs by restricting the growth in population and thuse reducing demand - and energy costs could be reduced by scrapping the Net Zero nonsense and stopping all the green subsidies. But no politician is willing to do either of those so we are stuck with crippling costs. Tackle housing costs by releasing more building land at lower prices. Offer planning permission with cost conditions. See how many farmers are happy to give up a sugar beat field for half the going rate. Housing costs are by far the biggest cost facing the poor. Of course the Tories wont because they know their backers don't want land prices falling. How much are you paying a month towards net zero? Do you know? LOL - The Tories introduced the policy that overrode local objections to planning decisions. They were attacked by the Labour Party who called it a 'Developers Charter' and massacred at the ballot box by the LibDems who campaigned against more development. Now Starmer is proposing exactly the same policy and the reaction on the ground is going to be exactly the same. With regards to your question on energy - about 80%. |
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Post by zanygame on May 31, 2023 21:50:10 GMT
Tackle housing costs by releasing more building land at lower prices. Offer planning permission with cost conditions. See how many farmers are happy to give up a sugar beat field for half the going rate. Housing costs are by far the biggest cost facing the poor. Of course the Tories wont because they know their backers don't want land prices falling. How much are you paying a month towards net zero? Do you know? LOL - The Tories introduced the policy that overrode local objections to planning decisions. They were attacked by the Labour Party who called it a 'Developers Charter' and massacred at the ballot box by the LibDems who campaigned against more development. Now Starmer is proposing exactly the same policy and the reaction on the ground is going to be exactly the same. With regards to your question on energy - about 80%. So what is the reason for the shortage of 4.3 million homes. The ones the Tories have been promising ever since 2010. And its not too late for them to start, lets see this drive to bring house prices and rents down. Might even reverse their fortunes. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 31, 2023 22:01:26 GMT
LOL - The Tories introduced the policy that overrode local objections to planning decisions. They were attacked by the Labour Party who called it a 'Developers Charter' and massacred at the ballot box by the LibDems who campaigned against more development. Now Starmer is proposing exactly the same policy and the reaction on the ground is going to be exactly the same. With regards to your question on energy - about 80%. So what is the reason for the shortage of 4.3 million homes. The ones the Tories have been promising ever since 2010. And its not too late for them to start, lets see this drive to bring house prices and rents down. Might even reverse their fortunes. With local residents supported by politicians from every party campaigning against more housebuilding then you are being rather naive. Nobody wants more housebuilding. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 1, 2023 5:58:02 GMT
So, we still haven't come up with a viable reason why you need more taxation when countless billions are being offshored under dodgy accounting and ends up tax free. While on the other hand you have managed to find every made-up reason to cover for it.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 1, 2023 6:16:53 GMT
So what is the reason for the shortage of 4.3 million homes. The ones the Tories have been promising ever since 2010. And its not too late for them to start, lets see this drive to bring house prices and rents down. Might even reverse their fortunes. With local residents supported by politicians from every party campaigning against more housebuilding then you are being rather naive. Nobody wants more housebuilding. Millions of people who want an affordable home want house building. What you mean is that middleclass Tory voters with their lovely homes don't want more houses built. |
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Post by borchester on Jun 1, 2023 6:38:59 GMT
With local residents supported by politicians from every party campaigning against more housebuilding then you are being rather naive. Nobody wants more housebuilding. Millions of people who want an affordable home want house building. What you mean is that middleclass Tory voters with their lovely homes don't want more houses built. Well that has solved that.
There are few problems that can't be solved by a bit of left wing spite.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 1, 2023 6:42:43 GMT
With local residents supported by politicians from every party campaigning against more housebuilding then you are being rather naive. Nobody wants more housebuilding. Millions of people who want an affordable home want house building. What you mean is that middleclass Tory voters with their lovely homes don't want more houses built. Every proposed housing development has a campaign against it - and you are being daft if you think it is just Tories. The LibDems are against a housing development in West London on a disused sewage plant, Labour politicians won a campaign against a housing development in East London on a car park - the LibDems win parliamentary seats from The Tories by promising to fight housing developments etc etc. You need to get out of your anti-Tory silo and discover what is really happening in the world. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 1, 2023 6:45:03 GMT
Millions of people who want an affordable home want house building. What you mean is that middleclass Tory voters with their lovely homes don't want more houses built. Well that has solved that.
There are few problems that can't be solved by a bit of left wing spite.
If only it was that easy. Those spiteful left wingers wanting affordable homes for those on lower incomes. How dare they, when we grew up your house cost about 4 times your income. Now it costs 9 times your income. Well we managed, why can't they. Its just spite. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 1, 2023 6:51:49 GMT
Millions of people who want an affordable home want house building. What you mean is that middleclass Tory voters with their lovely homes don't want more houses built. Every proposed housing development has a campaign against it - and you are being daft if you think it is just Tories. The LibDems are against a housing development in West London on a disused sewage plant, Labour politicians won a campaign against a housing development in East London on a car park - the LibDems win parliamentary seats from The Tories by promising to fight housing developments etc etc. You need to get out of your anti-Tory silo and discover what is really happening in the world. Every proposed road has a campaign against it. You finding one or two campaigned against by other parties does not absolve the current government of blame. Many people moan that inviting half a million people a year to move to the UK requires a new town to be built every year. So the Tories invite the immigrants where are the new towns? |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 1, 2023 6:54:30 GMT
Well that has solved that.
There are few problems that can't be solved by a bit of left wing spite.
If only it was that easy. Those spiteful left wingers wanting affordable homes for those on lower incomes. How dare they, when we grew up your house cost about 4 times your income. Now it costs 9 times your income. Well we managed, why can't they. Its just spite. Catch 22, if you want more houses when do you stop allowing mass unskilled immigration topped up by illegal immigration? So even if we agree to build you a million cheap houses it would never be enough. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 1, 2023 6:56:24 GMT
LOL - The Tories introduced the policy that overrode local objections to planning decisions. They were attacked by the Labour Party who called it a 'Developers Charter' and massacred at the ballot box by the LibDems who campaigned against more development. Now Starmer is proposing exactly the same policy and the reaction on the ground is going to be exactly the same. With regards to your question on energy - about 80%. The ones the Tories have been promising ever since 2010. And its not too late for them to start, lets see this drive to bring house prices and rents down. Might even reverse their fortunes. Population growth, mainly the result of immigration; why did you need to ask? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 1, 2023 7:03:03 GMT
Every proposed housing development has a campaign against it - and you are being daft if you think it is just Tories. The LibDems are against a housing development in West London on a disused sewage plant, Labour politicians won a campaign against a housing development in East London on a car park - the LibDems win parliamentary seats from The Tories by promising to fight housing developments etc etc. You need to get out of your anti-Tory silo and discover what is really happening in the world. Every proposed road has a campaign against it. You finding one or two campaigned against by other parties does not absolve the current government of blame. Many people moan that inviting half a million people a year to move to the UK requires a new town to be built every year. So the Tories invite the immigrants where are the new towns? The current government introduced a planning regime that overrode the objections of locals - the electorate didnt like that and started voting against the government and for the other parties who promised to stop imposed housebuilding targets. Hence the government scrapped that policy. The people do not want more housebuilding. |
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