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Post by zanygame on May 30, 2023 21:38:15 GMT
We still fall behind many in Europe Our tax burden reflects the amount the NHS costs, I have never received a satisfactory answer from you as to what services you would cut beyond the microscopic saving on diversity managers and rainbow crossings. Sorry I thought I had made it clear - I believe the NHS is beyond saving (after all we have been trying for over 7 decades) so I would become more European. I recommend you try it. In this case it doesn't matter if its the NHS or some other entity. Fact is we can treat a thousand conditions that would have killed you in 1945. My mum was a nurse in her youth, I remember her saying you went to hospital when the Doctor couldn't help you. You went to there to die. |
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Post by wapentake on May 30, 2023 21:39:52 GMT
The problem with cutting public spending is that it has already been slashed to the bone in the years of austerity - to the point where nothing seems to work anymore - and yet the national debt remains at record levels and is indeed much larger whilst our tax burden is higher than at any time since the war. Is it not legitimate to wonder where all the bloody money is going?
I'd support a re-balancing of the tax regime but I'm not convinced that higher taxes just to throw money at government departments that are already failing is a wise move. Yet you defend throwing our money at failing privatised energy companies  |
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Post by Pacifico on May 30, 2023 21:50:55 GMT
Sorry I thought I had made it clear - I believe the NHS is beyond saving (after all we have been trying for over 7 decades) so I would become more European. I recommend you try it. In this case it doesn't matter if its the NHS or some other entity. Fact is we can treat a thousand conditions that would have killed you in 1945. My mum was a nurse in her youth, I remember her saying you went to hospital when the Doctor couldn't help you. You went to there to die. What do you mean 'it doesn't matter'? - of course it matters what model of healthcare you have. Well it does to those that need treatment - to those that are trying to score political points probably not. |
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Post by sheepy on May 30, 2023 21:54:02 GMT
Sorry I thought I had made it clear - I believe the NHS is beyond saving (after all we have been trying for over 7 decades) so I would become more European. I recommend you try it. In this case it doesn't matter if its the NHS or some other entity. Fact is we can treat a thousand conditions that would have killed you in 1945. My mum was a nurse in her youth, I remember her saying you went to hospital when the Doctor couldn't help you. You went to there to die. Boris saved the NHS he said so, while his chums robbed it blind. |
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Post by zanygame on May 30, 2023 22:01:50 GMT
In this case it doesn't matter if its the NHS or some other entity. Fact is we can treat a thousand conditions that would have killed you in 1945. My mum was a nurse in her youth, I remember her saying you went to hospital when the Doctor couldn't help you. You went to there to die. What do you mean 'it doesn't matter'? - of course it matters what model of healthcare you have. Well it does to those that need treatment - to those that are trying to score political points probably not. Read my sentences and answer them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 22:09:21 GMT
The problem with cutting public spending is that it has already been slashed to the bone in the years of austerity - to the point where nothing seems to work anymore - and yet the national debt remains at record levels and is indeed much larger whilst our tax burden is higher than at any time since the war. Is it not legitimate to wonder where all the bloody money is going? It is very legitimate - which is why I wonder why throwing more money at failing institutions is going to change anything. I'd support a re-balancing of the tax regime but I'm not convinced that higher taxes just to throw money at government departments that are already failing is a wise move. The main reason why those departments are failing so badly is due to massive cuts in funding. If you have some kind of magic formula by which this can be reversed without reversing the funding cuts, you ought to be a government advisor. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 22:10:38 GMT
Have you tried using public services recently? Nothing works in this fucking country anymore due to funding cuts. yet we are spending more than ever.. Strange isn't it? So where is all the fucking money going? |
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Post by dodgydave on May 31, 2023 0:59:34 GMT
As I explained on another thread, IMO those billionaires who upped sticks and moved to another country rather than pay the extra tax, are psychologically sick, they are amongst the excessively rich because of a psychological driver that forces them to earn/collect more and more wealth. So you think JK Rowling should stop writing books because she is already excessively rich? Elon Musk should stop creating new companies because he is already excessively rich? You seem to think that billionaires have billions in the bank lol. Why don't you so some research for once and look at the reasons why they move. Norway's richest man moved because the wealth tax forces him to raise income to pay it... because shock horror it is a paper wealth, and he doesn't have 175m lying around lol. He has to increase dividend payments to the shareholders in his company so he can pay it, and that harms his business. There are many things we could do to change our tax system. For a starters we should treat gambling as income, scrap dividends tax and treat it under normal income, and most importantly treat inherited assets as income. I would also scrap VAT and corporation tax and just make a transaction tax ie you buy something off Amazon, and both sides are charged a 5% transaction tax. |
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Post by sheepy on May 31, 2023 5:43:10 GMT
yet we are spending more than ever.. Strange isn't it? So where is all the fucking money going? Same place it went from the banking crisis, but then you all said we were talking shit and the government were doing the right thing by you. They saved you by robbing you blind. The same place it went under Covid, but again you were being saved. |
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Post by zanygame on May 31, 2023 6:17:59 GMT
As I explained on another thread, IMO those billionaires who upped sticks and moved to another country rather than pay the extra tax, are psychologically sick, they are amongst the excessively rich because of a psychological driver that forces them to earn/collect more and more wealth. So you think JK Rowling should stop writing books because she is already excessively rich? Elon Musk should stop creating new companies because he is already excessively rich? You seem to think that billionaires have billions in the bank lol. Why don't you so some research for once and look at the reasons why they move. Norway's richest man moved because the wealth tax forces him to raise income to pay it... because shock horror it is a paper wealth, and he doesn't have 175m lying around lol. He has to increase dividend payments to the shareholders in his company so he can pay it, and that harms his business. There are many things we could do to change our tax system. For a starters we should treat gambling as income, scrap dividends tax and treat it under normal income, and most importantly treat inherited assets as income. I would also scrap VAT and corporation tax and just make a transaction tax ie you buy something off Amazon, and both sides are charged a 5% transaction tax. I think JK Rowling writes because she enjoys it, not to make more money. Elon musk does vanity projects because he enjoys playing with his fortune. Norways richest man left because he couldn't bare to see some of his immense wealth taken from him, he did not have to move to survive. Billionaires, even millionaires don't keep their money in the bank, as a rule they ring fence amounts to 1, invest in things they are interested in 2, to invest in medium risk higher growth. 3, In those hard to find safe places such as land banking or gold. Much of their wealth does nothing but sit there. Q: How would a transaction tax differ from VAT? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 31, 2023 6:44:44 GMT
It is very legitimate - which is why I wonder why throwing more money at failing institutions is going to change anything.
I'd support a re-balancing of the tax regime but I'm not convinced that higher taxes just to throw money at government departments that are already failing is a wise move. Yet you defend throwing our money at failing privatised energy companies You want energy for free? Good luck with that..  |
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Post by Pacifico on May 31, 2023 6:46:52 GMT
yet we are spending more than ever.. Strange isn't it? So where is all the fucking money going? Good question - I would like an answer to that before we embark on throwing more money at the public sector for worse services. |
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Post by zanygame on May 31, 2023 7:12:16 GMT
Strange isn't it? So where is all the fucking money going? Good question - I would like an answer to that before we embark on throwing more money at the public sector for worse services. Could it be that everything else went up in price but taxes didn't keep up? Should taxes rise with inflation and not just rely on people earning more to keep the balance. My guess is that as more and more of the pot went to the rich who use all those lovely perfectly respectable tax avoidance schemes we saw tax revenue fall behind demand. And so the rich got richer again. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 31, 2023 7:17:13 GMT
Good question - I would like an answer to that before we embark on throwing more money at the public sector for worse services. Could it be that everything else went up in price but taxes didn't keep up? Should taxes rise with inflation and not just rely on people earning more to keep the balance. My guess is that as more and more of the pot went to the rich who use all those lovely perfectly respectable tax avoidance schemes we saw tax revenue fall behind demand. And so the rich got richer again. There is limitless demand for Government spending - you cannot raise taxes high enough to satisfy that demand. Currently the highest tax burden since WW2 and it is still not enough - as we are hitting the barrier in the amount of taxes that can be extracted then demand management is the only realistic policy. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2023 7:56:17 GMT
Strange isn't it? So where is all the fucking money going? Good question - I would like an answer to that before we embark on throwing more money at the public sector for worse services. That public services have endured massive cuts and barely work anymore is hard for sensible people to ignore. That making them work again is therefore likely to require some of the money back ought to be logically obvious. But of course finding out where all the money has been going in the meantime so we can get some of it back is something we should do. I would suggest the possibility that the fact that the billionaires in this country have increased their combined wealth in one year by an amount capable of giving the rest of us £10k each, is something of a clue as to where the money is going and who to get it back from. |
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