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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 17:52:18 GMT
The intolerant and highly fascistic loony left are claiming to speak for moderates whilst perfectly normal people are labelled far-right. Rural England cannot support Labour, but the reasons are more to do with anti-English politics than race, at least for now. The loony left who tell the lie of being moderate will support divisive nationalist politics so long as it's intended to break the UK. Thsi is why they'd lick IRA and Sturgeon backside.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 30, 2023 18:27:32 GMT
Is everyone who would consider voting Labour "loony left"?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 18:31:27 GMT
Is everyone who would consider voting Labour "loony left"? Obviously not, especially when the Tories are performing so badly that so many people have become alienated. I can understand wanting to reach for an alternative, but for the good, thoroughtly decent people of our green and pleasant England Labour is the alternative from hell. They need a real alternative. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 18:39:18 GMT
I'm not one to usually quote the Daily Mail (I feel soiled), but I do think that this was an interesting and somewhat surprising poll. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12133253/New-poll-finds-surge-support-Labour-rural-areas-Tories-risk.htmlI don't think that the fact that Tory support is dropping is too much of a surprise. In addition to the planning and housing issues raised in the article, I'll also add rural transport and agriculture as reasons for the drop in support. For me the surprise is that these disenchanted voters are not turning towards LibDems or even Green, but to Labour. I'm not sure I understand why, as that doesn't seem natural to me? It might have something to do with Labour under Starmer selling themselves as a more competent version of the Tories , with a similar visceral hatred of anything truly of the left. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 18:42:58 GMT
It would be suicide for them. Labour hate rural English. Too white . Shouldn’t be allowed . The moron mutters his inanities again. Good entertainment though. |
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Post by Bentley on May 30, 2023 18:45:01 GMT
Too white . Shouldn’t be allowed . The moron mutters his inanities again. Good entertainment though. Old Mr Angry showing off his shoulder chip again 😁 |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 20:08:31 GMT
It's now a proven fact that when Labour lurches more towards the moderate side, call it what you want ... Centre Left or Social Democratic, the party becomes an attractive proposition for a wide cross section of the electorate, including so called "Middle England", the middle class and for some who normally vote Tory. We saw this in the record breaking 3 terms of office from 1997, and the record majority achieved. Here in the North, constituencies which had never elected a Labour MP did so for the first time in history, and that included constituencies with large rural populations. I am half expecting some Tory MPs to announce their retirement before the next general election in the areas close to where I live. Sid, in 1997 Labour got 13,518,167 votes, that's not as many as Margaret Thatcher got in 1987, it's only a peculliarity of the First Past The Post system that Blair did so well. In 2001 Labour got 10,724,953 votes. In 2005 Labour got 9,552,436 votes. Blair's momentus results don't look so good if you look at the bigger picture. Whilst he was in power public apathy grew especially amongst core Labour voters. In 2010, whilst still trying to continue with the New Labour project, Gordon Brown got a dismal 8,609,527 votes. Even Miliband did better on the vote count than Brown. 9,347,273 Corbyn in 2017. 12,877,918 Corbyn in 2019. 10,269,051 2017 was the only General Election since 1997 in which Labour made net gains in seat numbers instead of net losses. And they made gains on a pro Brexit manifesto only to throw it all away for Keir Starmer and other remoaners in the party. Our FPTP system throws up very odd results, and its not simply to do with either the size of the vote or number of seats, other factors come into it such the starting point ( where we are now ), also turnout. For example Labour won more seats in 1997 than the Tories did in 1979, yet Margaret Thatcher had a higher percentage of the vote. What I do know for certain is that an 80 seat majority currently held by the Conservatives would under normal circumstances be a difficult task to overturn, but for over a year now it has seemed possible, and since October seems very likely. A 7% swing to Labour would likely give them a tiny majority of perhaps 5 seats, an 8% swing would Labour a majority of about 14 or 15. But Labour are currently 15 points ahead ( percentage points ), meaning we are in the territory of around a majority of 95. |
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Post by Vinny on May 30, 2023 20:13:46 GMT
The thing is, when Keir Starmer's opened his mouth in the past, Labour support has plummetted.
If he goes down the route of the SNP, with perverts charter type policies, Labour support would melt away.
If he's learned from the past decade and now supports Brexit, Labour could reconnect with the Red Wall heartlands and actually stand a chance.
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