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Post by Pacifico on Jun 5, 2023 11:03:03 GMT
Strange .... who does one believe ? The Bank Of England have categorically stated that "Brexit has fuelled the surge in UK food prices" The London School of Economics say Brexit has added £7 Billion to our annual food costs But "expert" posters here say it has nothing to do with Brexit Well its a tough one really to decide who to believe So whats the excuse for the EU? If Brexit is responsible for food prices rising in the UK what is the reason for the price rises in the EU? - asking for a friend..   |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 5, 2023 18:49:13 GMT
I certainly have not and I won't expecting them starting anytime soon either. You made the claim that they don't care about democracy but how can you know that? Eh? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 5, 2023 19:21:26 GMT
There are differences between farming in crowded UK and sparsely populated Australia. That you imply the differences are due to with productivity is wrong. UK farmers are some of the most efficient in the world. Anyway I was not talking about the deal the UK government did with Australia, but your claim that the CAP was bad news for consumers and that tariffs should be scrapped. You offer no alternative, just criticism of the current system. So I put it to you again, if you want to remove food import tariffs why not do the same for every product the British public could buy cheaper from abroad. I suggest the reason is that the only way we could achieve your goal would be to lower our standard of living to that of India or Africa in a race to the bottom.
You talk of protectionism without apparently understanding what it means. It does not mean wads of money in producers pockets, it means being able to maintain safety standards, health, pensions etc. Things we in Europe enjoy and are unheard of in many countries. Now with that in mind, I do not object to your idea of importing more food to reduce some prices and free up UK land, but lets not pretend it wont have consequences for farmers here. How does lowering the cost of living and making everyone better off mean that we end up like Africa?. And if protectionism is such a good deal for the UK worker why are you in favour of joining the EU where the whole of Europe had free access to our markets? I enjoy your rhetorical questions. I mean it has to be rhetorical as this is ABC economics. If you lower the cost of living by importing cheap goods, you put your own people out of work. Pretty soon your own population is as poor as the one you are buying from. Why am I in favour of free trade with the EU? Because free trade with countries with similar living standards means they don't undercut you and opens bigger markets for your businesses. Thank you for setting up this opportunity for me to explain this basic lesson. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 5, 2023 19:30:44 GMT
There are differences between farming in crowded UK and sparsely populated Australia. That you imply the differences are due to with productivity is wrong. UK farmers are some of the most efficient in the world. Anyway I was not talking about the deal the UK government did with Australia, but your claim that the CAP was bad news for consumers and that tariffs should be scrapped. You offer no alternative, just criticism of the current system. So I put it to you again, if you want to remove food import tariffs why not do the same for every product the British public could buy cheaper from abroad. I suggest the reason is that the only way we could achieve your goal would be to lower our standard of living to that of India or Africa in a race to the bottom. You talk of protectionism without apparently understanding what it means. It does not mean wads of money in producers pockets, it means being able to maintain safety standards, health, pensions etc. Things we in Europe enjoy and are unheard of in many countries. Now with that in mind, I do not object to your idea of importing more food to reduce some prices and free up UK land, but lets not pretend it wont have consequences for farmers here. You made the claim UK farmers would be out of business due to the deal Australia has with the UK, yet you've produced nothing to support your claim, and yet you still end your post with it again. Please show/how where a protectionist trade deal with Australia as of May 31st 2023 will lead to UK farmers going out of business. Why should I explain again so you can ignore again? I was not talking about the Australian deal. I was replying to you. You are entitled to say giraffes are Zebras with long necks, doesn't mean you're right. Criticising the CAP without any understanding of why its there or any idea what to do instead is your right, but pointless. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 5, 2023 20:27:02 GMT
We are on the Paignton seafront at the mo mate watching Torbay airshow. Some idiot tried to walk in with his Little blue and yellow flag and one of the Security guards told him either dump his form of protest or fuck off. So the idiot left with his tail between his legs. That saved him from having it rammed where the sun don't shine. BTW its 35 on the front today. Kind of warm lol. The only place that hot round here is my greenhouse. I have finally cleared the large patio outside the back door of 3 years of uncontrolled weed growth thanks to me being too ill to rectify the problem and i’m sitting in 25 degree shade contemplating which of the badger brewers beers to quaff…. Happy sunbathing Apologies JoG missed this. Sorry to hear about the poor health, and heartened you were able to quaff a beer in the shade on a sunny afternoon. How very civilised. I was going to say how very English lol. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 5, 2023 21:04:55 GMT
You made the claim UK farmers would be out of business due to the deal Australia has with the UK, yet you've produced nothing to support your claim, and yet you still end your post with it again. Please show/how where a protectionist trade deal with Australia as of May 31st 2023 will lead to UK farmers going out of business. Why should I explain again so you can ignore again? I was not talking about the Australian deal. I was replying to you. You are entitled to say giraffes are Zebras with long necks, doesn't mean you're right. Criticising the CAP without any understanding of why its there or any idea what to do instead is your right, but pointless. Yeah, you're right. UK farmers will start going out of business and the CAP is the best policy since sliced bread. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 5, 2023 21:27:47 GMT
How does lowering the cost of living and making everyone better off mean that we end up like Africa?. And if protectionism is such a good deal for the UK worker why are you in favour of joining the EU where the whole of Europe had free access to our markets? I enjoy your rhetorical questions. I mean it has to be rhetorical as this is ABC economics. If you lower the cost of living by importing cheap goods, you put your own people out of work. Pretty soon your own population is as poor as the one you are buying from. So the repeal of the Corn Laws was a catastrophic economic mistake? We have similar levels of living standards to Bulgaria and Romania?. Are you sure? Looks like your lessons need some work. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 5, 2023 21:39:18 GMT
The only place that hot round here is my greenhouse. I have finally cleared the large patio outside the back door of 3 years of uncontrolled weed growth thanks to me being too ill to rectify the problem and i’m sitting in 25 degree shade contemplating which of the badger brewers beers to quaff…. Happy sunbathing Apologies JoG missed this. Sorry to hear about the poor health, and heartened you were able to quaff a beer in the shade on a sunny afternoon. How very civilised. I was going to say how very English lol. well i am the son of an essex man, and i was born in an ambulance that didn’t make it to england for proper healthcare. It’s that bloody long covid breathing shit again. I fought, literally clawed my way from having trouble climbing three steps on the stairs in Jan 2021 to walking miles by june 2022, but it seems you cannot rest on your laurels. I thought having cleared the crap from the lungs i was ok but it seems you need to keep on being active or you relapse, and that’s a real pisser as niw the wife knows i need to get out and weed and de-bramble the garden etc or else. Bugger !! But it IS nice to see the patio slabs i paid shitloads to have put down 25 years ago once more. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 5, 2023 21:40:43 GMT
I enjoy your rhetorical questions. I mean it has to be rhetorical as this is ABC economics. If you lower the cost of living by importing cheap goods, you put your own people out of work. Pretty soon your own population is as poor as the one you are buying from. We have similar levels of living standards to Bulgaria and Romania?. Are you sure? Looks like your lessons need some work. Only for 10% of the UK's top earners. It benefitted 90% of the UK's lower earners. Before that the Corn Laws raised food prices and the cost of living for the majority of Brits, and hampered growth. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_LawsNot only that, but the UK could never take the New Zealand model with a virtually zero subsidy approach, free-market model that forced better environment land management, better productivity, efficiency and innovation. After removal of subsidies in New Zealand back in the '80's agricultural productivity grew three times faster. But no, Zany is adamant the UK has to be part of a mercantilist, lazy, expensive and wasteful mindset, and all because the EU say so. The UK consumers must pay the price of being kept under foot. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 6, 2023 5:23:23 GMT
Why should I explain again so you can ignore again? I was not talking about the Australian deal. I was replying to you. You are entitled to say giraffes are Zebras with long necks, doesn't mean you're right. Criticising the CAP without any understanding of why its there or any idea what to do instead is your right, but pointless. Yeah, you're right. UK farmers will start going out of business and the CAP is the best policy since sliced bread. Possibly not, but the CAP is certainly better than your alternative. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 6, 2023 5:31:36 GMT
I enjoy your rhetorical questions. I mean it has to be rhetorical as this is ABC economics. If you lower the cost of living by importing cheap goods, you put your own people out of work. Pretty soon your own population is as poor as the one you are buying from. The world was a little bit different in 1850. Don't yer think? No I don't and I think it was a mistake to invite them in on equal terms, I have said in the past that there should have been some restrictions to their membership until their economies better matched the rest of the EU. However, the idea of FoM was to quickly equal out pay and work conditions. And membership of the EU depended on those countries meeting certain levels of safety, law, employee conditions etc etc. So not the same as allowing non tariffed goods in from India. Are you serious in your support of removing all balancing tariffs on imports? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 5:49:39 GMT
You made the claim that they don't care about democracy but how can you know that? Eh? Sheepy. "Not really, since when did the BOE give a flying one for democracy? I can answer that for you, never." |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 6, 2023 5:55:09 GMT
Sheepy. "Not really, since when did the BOE give a flying one for democracy? I can answer that for you, never." I can't believe this, then you asked if they had ever mentioned it, which I said no, if they never even mention it do you think they give a flying one about it? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 6, 2023 6:36:01 GMT
Are you serious in your support of removing all balancing tariffs on imports? [/quote] The UK has not been self-sufficient in food production for the past 300 years. So given that we have to import food what do we gain by making it artificially expensive?. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 6, 2023 6:37:20 GMT
Yeah, you're right. UK farmers will start going out of business and the CAP is the best policy since sliced bread. Possibly not, but the CAP is certainly better than your alternative. My approach would be similar to what NZ did. That certainly trumps the CAP. |
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