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Post by thomas on Jun 5, 2023 7:03:56 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 5, 2023 7:10:03 GMT
another brexit bad story....
But Ms Starkey, sales director for the farm, said the business has been "squashed at both ends", with rising wages for pickers meeting inadequate prices from buyers.
She said traditionally they would use up to 140 pickers, mostly from the EU.
"Many of them had come to us for years, they knew it was a good place to work," Ms Starkey said.
"But with Brexit it became more difficult and they just did not feel welcome."
The farm then used agency workers from further afield but the costs had soared.
There are 40,000 seasonal farm worker visas available every year. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 5, 2023 7:27:44 GMT
I don't think you know much about the Australian trade deal other than what sensationalist headlines you've read. Can you explain what evidence you have that UK farmers will go out of business? The trade deal the UK has with Australia is overly protectionist - our government are still in EU mode. Yet, you believe as of May 31st 2023 UK farmers will start going out of business. The UK retained protections in the trade deal run 14 pages deep against Australia's 1 and a half pages, and of course still runs protections in agriculture. Yet, even with 12% tariffs on Australian beef and tonnage quotas in this deal lasting eleven 11 years, you still believe UK farmers will go out of business. You don't seem to have confidence in UK agriculture if that's what you believe. Only after 15 years will UK consumers be able to buy as much beef tariff free as they presently import from Ireland. The only losers here are UK consumers. The are sizeable tariffs on many agri-goods imported from Australia in this deal: from wheat to dairy, sugar to barley, beef to sheep meat, not forgetting fruit and veg. The main beneficiaries of this deal, are heavily subsidised EU farmers. UK farmers are protected too. UK farmers cannot produce sufficient food for the population though. Yet, in the deal the UK has with the EU, the EU has no tariffs or quotas and the UK's market was completely opened up to EU farmers. There was no protection for UK farmers in this deal. Yet there is in the deal with Australian farmers. Again, the only losers here are UK consumers. 50 years of protectionism under the EU did not improve the agricultural industry in the UK. There's been no encouragement to improve productivity because of this. Some UK farms still need subsidising and even some farms still run at a loss. Australian farmers get no subsidy from their government and still make it a viable business. Under the EU's CAP there was huge wastage of agri-food, farmers in the EU represent 3% of the working population, yet receive 30% of the EU's annual budget for the taxpayer. A whopping percentage for such an unproductive industry. Let's not forget, a lot of this money goes to landed gentry and is also ploughed into environmental killing mega-farms. The UK trade deal with Australia wasn't liberal enough. Protections still remain in place and won't be phased out for years to come. If UK farmers really believe like you do they will be out of business before then, well they're in the wrong business. But the reality of your worrying stems from 'project fear' which is firmly implanted in the back of your skull. There are differences between farming in crowded UK and sparsely populated Australia. That you imply the differences are due to with productivity is wrong. UK farmers are some of the most efficient in the world. Anyway I was not talking about the deal the UK government did with Australia, but your claim that the CAP was bad news for consumers and that tariffs should be scrapped. You offer no alternative, just criticism of the current system. So I put it to you again, if you want to remove food import tariffs why not do the same for every product the British public could buy cheaper from abroad. I suggest the reason is that the only way we could achieve your goal would be to lower our standard of living to that of India or Africa in a race to the bottom. You talk of protectionism without apparently understanding what it means. It does not mean wads of money in producers pockets, it means being able to maintain safety standards, health, pensions etc. Things we in Europe enjoy and are unheard of in many countries. Now with that in mind, I do not object to your idea of importing more food to reduce some prices and free up UK land, but lets not pretend it wont have consequences for farmers here. You made the claim UK farmers would be out of business due to the deal Australia has with the UK, yet you've produced nothing to support your claim, and yet you still end your post with it again. Please show/how where a protectionist trade deal with Australia as of May 31st 2023 will lead to UK farmers going out of business. I've criticised the CAP as I'm entitled to do. I need not find an alternative to that wastage. That's a Brexit bonus! I don't have to worry about CAP alternatives! |
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Post by thomas on Jun 5, 2023 7:42:09 GMT
another brexit bad story....
But Ms Starkey, sales director for the farm, said the business has been "squashed at both ends", with rising wages for pickers meeting inadequate prices from buyers.
She said traditionally they would use up to 140 pickers, mostly from the EU.
"Many of them had come to us for years, they knew it was a good place to work," Ms Starkey said.
"But with Brexit it became more difficult and they just did not feel welcome."
The farm then used agency workers from further afield but the costs had soared.
There are 40,000 seasonal farm worker visas available every year. they obviously missed this womans farm eh mate?
Even with the visas , the story makes clear they dont feel welcome in your country for some strange reason...... 
UK farms have just 25% of seasonal workforce needed for summer harvests
Seasonal worker shortages have been reported of up to 75% around the UK, as producers struggle to supply produce to retailers. This is raising fears that produce will be left to rot in the ground as there is not enough labour to harvest it.
According to The Grocer, the shortages have been driven by delays in the processing of visas, leaving some producers with just 25% of the workers they had originally booked in for the harvest season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 7:45:56 GMT
Strange .... who does one believe ?
The Bank Of England have categorically stated that "Brexit has fuelled the surge in UK food prices"
The London School of Economics say Brexit has added £7 Billion to our annual food costs
But "expert" posters here say it has nothing to do with Brexit
Well its a tough one really to decide who to believe
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Post by thomas on Jun 5, 2023 8:02:07 GMT
Strange .... who does one believe ? The Bank Of England have categorically stated that "Brexit has fuelled the surge in UK food prices" The London School of Economics say Brexit has added £7 Billion to our annual food costs But "expert" posters here say it has nothing to do with Brexit Well its a tough one really to decide who to believe well you only have to look at my interaction with pacifico above sid to see how brexiters eyes and ears remain closed .
I post a story about a womans farm having a lack of wrokers among other things , pacifico muddies the water for a few seconds saying the uk issues loads of visas , and then we hear the uk cant even get that right with major visa problems for workers.
Next step....pacifico tells us he isnt a brexiter and only ever wanted to cherry pick the single market with none of the rules and all of the pros. the ususal british exceptionalism and empire mentality.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 5, 2023 8:05:57 GMT
Strange .... who does one believe ? The Bank Of England have categorically stated that "Brexit has fuelled the surge in UK food prices" The London School of Economics say Brexit has added £7 Billion to our annual food costs But "expert" posters here say it has nothing to do with Brexit Well its a tough one really to decide who to believe Not really, since when did the BOE give a flying one for democracy? I can answer that for you, never. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 8:09:44 GMT
Strange .... who does one believe ? The Bank Of England have categorically stated that "Brexit has fuelled the surge in UK food prices" The London School of Economics say Brexit has added £7 Billion to our annual food costs But "expert" posters here say it has nothing to do with Brexit Well its a tough one really to decide who to believe Not really, since when did the BOE give a flying one for democracy? I can answer that for you, never. I have never heard the BOE talk about democracy, have you? |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 5, 2023 8:12:10 GMT
Not really, since when did the BOE give a flying one for democracy? I can answer that for you, never. I have never heard the BOE talk about democracy, have you? I certainly have not and I won't expecting them starting anytime soon either. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 5, 2023 9:05:21 GMT
Not really, since when did the BOE give a flying one for democracy? I can answer that for you, never. I have never heard the BOE talk about democracy, have you? Not sure the BoE talk about inflation either. Well, certainly not back in 2021 when it was asleep at the wheel complacent about inflation. Their lax monetary policy in the aftermath of the pandemic and failure to ready the markets for gradual interest rate rises derailed the prospects of a quicker recovery as it assumed back in '21 inflation would be transitionary. How wrong did the BoE get that! |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 5, 2023 9:23:47 GMT
Strange .... who does one believe ? The Bank Of England have categorically stated that "Brexit has fuelled the surge in UK food prices" The London School of Economics say Brexit has added £7 Billion to our annual food costs But "expert" posters here say it has nothing to do with Brexit Well its a tough one really to decide who to believe Well only a stupid idiot would beleive the BoE. I can Remember all their doom and gloom if we left the EUSSR Well that never happened this is what you get when you put a raving lefty loon in charge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 9:25:25 GMT
I have never heard the BOE talk about democracy, have you? I certainly have not and I won't expecting them starting anytime soon either. You made the claim that they don't care about democracy but how can you know that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 10:17:34 GMT
You made the claim that they don't care about democracy but how can you know that? Easy wonky because they are run by lefty woke ringpeices. Another ridiculous statement. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 5, 2023 10:41:09 GMT
Easy wonky because they are run by lefty woke ringpeices. Another ridiculous statement. So this is YET another subject you know Jack about wonky. Maybe if you did a bit of research it may help. Look up the Canadian lefty ringpiece who was in charge of the BoE during Brexit. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 5, 2023 10:54:58 GMT
I don't think you know much about the Australian trade deal other than what sensationalist headlines you've read. Can you explain what evidence you have that UK farmers will go out of business? The trade deal the UK has with Australia is overly protectionist - our government are still in EU mode. Yet, you believe as of May 31st 2023 UK farmers will start going out of business. The UK retained protections in the trade deal run 14 pages deep against Australia's 1 and a half pages, and of course still runs protections in agriculture. Yet, even with 12% tariffs on Australian beef and tonnage quotas in this deal lasting eleven 11 years, you still believe UK farmers will go out of business. You don't seem to have confidence in UK agriculture if that's what you believe. Only after 15 years will UK consumers be able to buy as much beef tariff free as they presently import from Ireland. The only losers here are UK consumers. The are sizeable tariffs on many agri-goods imported from Australia in this deal: from wheat to dairy, sugar to barley, beef to sheep meat, not forgetting fruit and veg. The main beneficiaries of this deal, are heavily subsidised EU farmers. UK farmers are protected too. UK farmers cannot produce sufficient food for the population though. Yet, in the deal the UK has with the EU, the EU has no tariffs or quotas and the UK's market was completely opened up to EU farmers. There was no protection for UK farmers in this deal. Yet there is in the deal with Australian farmers. Again, the only losers here are UK consumers. 50 years of protectionism under the EU did not improve the agricultural industry in the UK. There's been no encouragement to improve productivity because of this. Some UK farms still need subsidising and even some farms still run at a loss. Australian farmers get no subsidy from their government and still make it a viable business. Under the EU's CAP there was huge wastage of agri-food, farmers in the EU represent 3% of the working population, yet receive 30% of the EU's annual budget for the taxpayer. A whopping percentage for such an unproductive industry. Let's not forget, a lot of this money goes to landed gentry and is also ploughed into environmental killing mega-farms. The UK trade deal with Australia wasn't liberal enough. Protections still remain in place and won't be phased out for years to come. If UK farmers really believe like you do they will be out of business before then, well they're in the wrong business. But the reality of your worrying stems from 'project fear' which is firmly implanted in the back of your skull. Well argued Buccy. I live in the northern Lincolnshire sticks and farmers are doing well here. Probably due to the fact Lincolnshire farming is mostly arable and the astronomical rise in wheat prices caused by the illegal invasion of Ukraine has benefited arable farmers beyond their wildest dreams. Prices shot up from £140 a tonne to over £300 and although prices have now fallen to around £200 they are set to rise again as abnormal rainfall has crippled Chinese wheat production with fields too wet to harvest this year's crops. Flooding the market with cheap Australian beef which relies on growth hormones to undercut British livestock farmers is going to seriously harm the industry and would indeed lead to British farmers going out of business. |
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