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Post by see2 on Jun 4, 2023 9:51:16 GMT
Oh ffs behave yourself. Cameron lied, Osborne lied and the govenor of the BoE lied, just three of many. And you're sitting there making excuses for them. Tell me, what in your opinion were the lies Brexiteers told... Are you claiming that you believed all three, without evidence, and still voted Leave? |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 4, 2023 9:59:48 GMT
Farmers don't control, nor should they control UK trading policy. You also forget to talk to the environmental devastation the CAP policy wrought on the UK environment too, with the huge cost to taxpayers it cost them. If unsubsidised Australian farmers can make their way in the world; then UK subsidised, profit losing farmers should be able to as well. UK consumers shouldn't be held captive to continental protective practices. Interesting view point. Are you suggesting we compete in the worlds open markets with no tariff protections? Or is it just our farmers who must do so? You're not really interested in the environment and the cost to the taxpayer the CAP had on the UK are you? |
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Post by see2 on Jun 4, 2023 10:01:22 GMT
You really can be so arrogantly silly at times, are you claiming there is no such thing as honest people? so name them... or are you that silly that you claim there are honest people who didn't get a say but you dont know who they are..  Don't add lies to your nonsense, I didn't claim "they did not get a say" I did suggest that IMO the people with biggest mouths and smallest brains won the day. I understand you questioning the possibility of politically honest people out there, because so many of your posts take a truth and use it to imply an anti-Labour lie. Your mostly total lack of objectivity suggests you are not amongst the more politically honest people I refer to. Perhaps you foolishly believe that most people are like yourself. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 4, 2023 10:03:13 GMT
1. "May not" A suggestion is not a lie. 2. How can it be a lie, did he have a crystal ball? At best it was his opinion. 3. So his forecast-- his opinion-- was wrong, not the first such a person has made an incorrect forecast. Stating that the EU is run by unelected people was a lie back then and is still a lie today. So let's get this straight, the Leave campagin told blatant lies, but the Remain 'lies' weren't really lies they were just 'suggestion' and 'opinions' and incorrect forecasts.
LOL... I hope everyone is reading the lefties at work.
Your shallow thinking leaves you completely lost. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 4, 2023 10:28:05 GMT
Oh ffs behave yourself. Cameron lied, Osborne lied and the govenor of the BoE lied, just three of many. And you're sitting there making excuses for them. Tell me, what in your opinion were the lies Brexiteers told... Are you claiming that you believed all three, without evidence, and still voted Leave? All 3 were campaigning to remain...  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 4, 2023 10:29:44 GMT
so name them... or are you that silly that you claim there are honest people who didn't get a say but you dont know who they are.. Don't add lies to your nonsense, I didn't claim "they did not get a say" I did suggest that IMO the people with biggest mouths and smallest brains won the day. I understand you questioning the possibility of politically honest people out there, because so many of your posts take a truth and use it to imply an anti-Labour lie. Your mostly total lack of objectivity suggests you are not amongst the more politically honest people I refer to. Perhaps you foolishly believe that most people are like yourself. This an interesting idea - that you cannot name any of these 'politically honest people' kinda suggests there are not many of them.. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 4, 2023 10:48:04 GMT
I can't claim to have made an exhaustive survey but I have never come across Australian beef or any other meat in France, or anywhere else on the continent. You do see Argentinian beef especially in Germany where there are several chains of Argentinian steak-house, and NZ lamb appears for sale occasionally. But Australian beef, never.
The EU is practically self-sufficient in meat products anyway, and to an even greater extent now the UK has departed.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 4, 2023 10:56:19 GMT
So let's get this straight, the Leave campagin told blatant lies, but the Remain 'lies' weren't really lies they were just 'suggestion' and 'opinions' and incorrect forecasts.
LOL... I hope everyone is reading the lefties at work.
Your shallow thinking leaves you completely lost. More like your bias leaves you completely lost. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2023 11:22:38 GMT
Oh ffs behave yourself. Cameron lied, Osborne lied and the govenor of the BoE lied, just three of many. And you're sitting there making excuses for them. Tell me, what in your opinion were the lies Brexiteers told... The Big lies all came from the Remain camp, and it was a cross-party collusion. I agree. I've often asked remainiacs who constantly bang on about Brexit lies to explain exactly 'what' lies they're talking about. Other than mention Boris's red bus, they usually resort to petty name calling - far right, racist, bigot etc. Unfortunately it's what we have come to expect from remainiacs. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 4, 2023 11:23:27 GMT
Where did I say that wasn't the case. I doubt it was piled high (unless they were small shelves. Lol) There are tight quota's imposed across the EU. You might ask yourself why the UK didn't see shelves piled high when we were in the same EU as France. Do you get anything right. I came back to England roughly every 9 months to buy food like English meat among other things; it sat side by side with foreign meat, each in large quantities. My first port of call was around 3am at Tesco, Bar Hill; I'm sure you know it. Here's some more. The EU is a small but high value market for Australian beef, especially grainfed exports, however trade remains sensitive to evolving market access conditions. The UK took 61% of Australian sheepmeat exports to the EU in 2018-19, the largest European destination for Australian lamb and mutton.
European Union | MLAWe export a lot of lamb and mutton to the EU, much of it for the halal market. Yes but the Australian beef beyond the small quotas is tariffed to make it as expensive as the local supply. This is how the EU and the US works for a whole series of items. What UK farmers are complaining about is the removal of those tariffs. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2023 11:28:31 GMT
Oh ffs behave yourself. Cameron lied, Osborne lied and the govenor of the BoE lied, just three of many. And you're sitting there making excuses for them. Tell me, what in your opinion were the lies Brexiteers told... Are you claiming that you believed all three, without evidence, and still voted Leave? Strange thing to say. Quite obviously I 'disbelieved' all three. And since the referendum was seven years ago and the government are still paying pensions, there was no post referendum emergency budget and the economy didn't tank after the referendum as the prime minister, the chancellor and the govenor of the BoE predicted, history would suggest I was right not to believe them. Don't you agree? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 4, 2023 11:28:42 GMT
Interesting view point. Are you suggesting we compete in the worlds open markets with no tariff protections? Or is it just our farmers who must do so? You're not really interested in the environment and the cost to the taxpayer the CAP had on the UK are you? You are saying the solution is to put UK farmers out of business. That would create a big increase in wilding. You haven't even mentioned the lack of a working environmental plan to replace the ones offered under the cap. Do you even know what they are? I quite like the idea of converting some of our arable land back to areas the public can access and enjoy, and that takes pressure off nature as well. But I do think those farmers who would lose their livelihood and the land they paid a fortune for should get some compensation. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 4, 2023 11:34:03 GMT
Are you claiming that you believed all three, without evidence, and still voted Leave? Strange thing to say. Quite obviously I 'disbelieved' all three. And since the referendum was seven years ago and the government are still paying pensions, there was no post referendum emergency budget and the economy didn't tank after the referendum as the prime minister, the chancellor and the govenor of the BoE predicted, history would suggest I was right not to believe them. Don't you agree? The Pension issue was a real enough issue, and was addressed as part of Boris's Withdrawal Agreement. However, I remember some on here at the time recommending that we left without a deal... |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 4, 2023 11:48:40 GMT
The Pension issue was a real enough issue, and was addressed as part of Boris's Withdrawal Agreement. However, I remember some on here at the time recommending that we left without a deal... "No deal is better than a bad deal" was the thinking. And rightly so. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 4, 2023 12:01:14 GMT
Strange thing to say. Quite obviously I 'disbelieved' all three. And since the referendum was seven years ago and the government are still paying pensions, there was no post referendum emergency budget and the economy didn't tank after the referendum as the prime minister, the chancellor and the govenor of the BoE predicted, history would suggest I was right not to believe them. Don't you agree? The Pension issue was a real enough issue, and was addressed as part of Boris's Withdrawal Agreement. However, I remember some on here at the time recommending that we left without a deal... I would have walked immediately after the referendum on the basis that negotiations on leaving would be a minefield, how true that became and how true people like May et al fucked the process up....and I include Boris in that. |
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