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Post by Pacifico on Jun 4, 2023 6:35:23 GMT
Honest people? - who are these honest people? Name names. You really can be so arrogantly silly at times, are you claiming there is no such thing as honest people? so name them... or are you that silly that you claim there are honest people who didn't get a say but you dont know who they are..  |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 4, 2023 6:57:22 GMT
So the conclusion is some people lied about what would happen if we stayed in the EU others lied about what would happen if we left.
And what about where we really are right now. Do the Brexiters on here feel its the economic and political result they hoped for.
I see no draconian laws that have been scrapped, no improvements in the fishing industry, no improvements in exports, no improvements in standards of living, no cut in immigration, no cut in illegal immigration.
Certainly doesn't feel like a better place to live.
Are all of these things really down to our government trying to wreck Brexit?
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 4, 2023 7:13:59 GMT
So the conclusion is some people lied about what would happen if we stayed in the EU others lied about what would happen if we left. And what about where we really are right now. Do the Brexiters on here feel its the economic and political result they hoped for. I see no draconian laws that have been scrapped, no improvements in the fishing industry, no improvements in exports, no improvements in standards of living, no cut in immigration, no cut in illegal immigration. Certainly doesn't feel like a better place to live. Are all of these things really down to our government trying to wreck Brexit? You see nothing, then that's what happens when one is blind. The CAP for example is worse for British environment and ecological systems than climate change & worse still for UK consumers. You may liked to be co-governed by those who aren't co-cultural, with the likes of Macron, Merkel and Juncker leading the way for you, but your compatriots do not. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 4, 2023 7:15:21 GMT
So the conclusion is some people lied about what would happen if we stayed in the EU others lied about what would happen if we left. And what about where we really are right now. Do the Brexiters on here feel its the economic and political result they hoped for. I see no draconian laws that have been scrapped, no improvements in the fishing industry, no improvements in exports, no improvements in standards of living, no cut in immigration, no cut in illegal immigration. Certainly doesn't feel like a better place to live. Are all of these things really down to our government trying to wreck Brexit? You see nothing, then that's what happens when one is blind. The CAP for example is worse for British environment and ecological systems than climate change & worse still for UK consumers. You may liked to be co-governed by those who aren't co-cultural, with the likes of Macron, Merkel and Juncker leading the way for you, but your compatriots do not. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 4, 2023 7:40:42 GMT
So the conclusion is some people lied about what would happen if we stayed in the EU others lied about what would happen if we left. And what about where we really are right now. Do the Brexiters on here feel its the economic and political result they hoped for. I see no draconian laws that have been scrapped, no improvements in the fishing industry, no improvements in exports, no improvements in standards of living, no cut in immigration, no cut in illegal immigration. Certainly doesn't feel like a better place to live. Are all of these things really down to our government trying to wreck Brexit? You see nothing, then that's what happens when one is blind. The CAP for example is worse for British environment and ecological systems than climate change & worse still for UK consumers. You may liked to be co-governed by those who aren't co-cultural, with the likes of Macron, Merkel and Juncker leading the way for you, but your compatriots do not. Petty insults aside (They're not compulsory you know) Do you see any improvements in the things I listed, they were the main reasons given at the time for escaping the EU. On the CAP. British farmers would disagree with you. They have seen subsidies reduced and the introduction of cheap lamb and beef from Australia. Alongside the easy access they have lost to their nearest foreign market with each lot of meat having its own set of paperwork to be filled out and accepted. Read most articles and you will struggle to find a UK farmer who is pleased with the result of Brexit. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 4, 2023 7:50:39 GMT
Just before the referendum prime minister Cameron said if we voted to leave the EU the government may not be able to pay old age pensions. This was a direct threat to a pro Brexit demographic, and a blatant lie. Just before the referendum Chancellor George Osborne said if we voted to leave the EU, then within three months he would have to hold an emergency budget in which income tax and VAT would rise by 3%. Another blatant lie. Just before the referendum the governor of the BoE said a vote to leave the EU would almost immediately be economically disastrous for the UK economy. He was later called before a select committee to explain why his predictions were so wrong. You are correct see2, there were some utterly blatant lies told about Brexit. 1. "May not" A suggestion is not a lie. 2. How can it be a lie, did he have a crystal ball? At best it was his opinion. 3. So his forecast-- his opinion-- was wrong, not the first such a person has made an incorrect forecast. Stating that the EU is run by unelected people was a lie back then and is still a lie today. So let's get this straight, the Leave campagin told blatant lies, but the Remain 'lies' weren't really lies they were just 'suggestion' and 'opinions' and incorrect forecasts.
LOL... I hope everyone is reading the lefties at work.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 4, 2023 7:52:22 GMT
Oh ffs behave yourself. Cameron lied, Osborne lied and the govenor of the BoE lied, just three of many. And you're sitting there making excuses for them. Tell me, what in your opinion were the lies Brexiteers told... The Big lies all came from the Remain camp, and it was a cross-party collusion. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 4, 2023 7:58:34 GMT
Oh ffs behave yourself. Cameron lied, Osborne lied and the govenor of the BoE lied, just three of many. And you're sitting there making excuses for them. Tell me, what in your opinion were the lies Brexiteers told... The Big lies all came from the Remain camp, and it was a cross-party collusion. Not sure how you measure the size of a lie, but claiming Turkey was about to join the EU and flood the UK with cheap labour was a fairly big one. More importantly to me, what has happened to the £11Bn a year we were going to have spare. Did it go to the NHS as promised? |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 4, 2023 8:06:48 GMT
You see nothing, then that's what happens when one is blind. The CAP for example is worse for British environment and ecological systems than climate change & worse still for UK consumers. You may liked to be co-governed by those who aren't co-cultural, with the likes of Macron, Merkel and Juncker leading the way for you, but your compatriots do not. Petty insults aside (They're not compulsory you know) Do you see any improvements in the things I listed, they were the main reasons given at the time for escaping the EU. On the CAP. British farmers would disagree with you. They have seen subsidies reduced and the introduction of cheap lamb and beef from Australia. Alongside the easy access they have lost to their nearest foreign market with each lot of meat having its own set of paperwork to be filled out and accepted. Read most articles and you will struggle to find a UK farmer who is pleased with the result of Brexit. Farmers don't control, nor should they control UK trading policy. You also forget to talk to the environmental devastation the CAP policy wrought on the UK environment too, with the huge cost to taxpayers it cost them. If unsubsidised Australian farmers can make their way in the world; then UK subsidised, profit losing farmers should be able to as well. UK consumers shouldn't be held captive to continental protective practices. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 4, 2023 8:07:33 GMT
The Big lies all came from the Remain camp, and it was a cross-party collusion. Not sure how you measure the size of a lie, but claiming Turkey was about to join the EU and flood the UK with cheap labour was a fairly big one. More importantly to me, what has happened to the £11Bn a year we were going to have spare. Did it go to the NHS as promised? I'm not sure what Turkey has to do with it, I would imagine Turkey are thankful they had a lucky escape, as for cheap labour they've all decided they don't want to work after all, they'd prefer to pay criminals so they can enter the UK illegally and get everything for FREE without having to do a tap.
Unfortunately Brexit coincided with out break of Covid and the Ukraine/Russia war, the £11Bn has been swallowed up by ploughing money into furlough schemes and energy bill help, as for the NHS it's a bottomless pit always has been always will be under any government.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 4, 2023 8:27:50 GMT
You see nothing, then that's what happens when one is blind. The CAP for example is worse for British environment and ecological systems than climate change & worse still for UK consumers. You may liked to be co-governed by those who aren't co-cultural, with the likes of Macron, Merkel and Juncker leading the way for you, but your compatriots do not. Petty insults aside (They're not compulsory you know) Do you see any improvements in the things I listed, they were the main reasons given at the time for escaping the EU. On the CAP. British farmers would disagree with you. They have seen subsidies reduced and the introduction of cheap lamb and beef from Australia. Alongside the easy access they have lost to their nearest foreign market with each lot of meat having its own set of paperwork to be filled out and accepted. Read most articles and you will struggle to find a UK farmer who is pleased with the result of Brexit. When I lived in France, cheap Australian meat, was piled high on supermarket shelves, I'm given to understand it still is; do you get anything right? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 4, 2023 8:30:48 GMT
Petty insults aside (They're not compulsory you know) Do you see any improvements in the things I listed, they were the main reasons given at the time for escaping the EU. On the CAP. British farmers would disagree with you. They have seen subsidies reduced and the introduction of cheap lamb and beef from Australia. Alongside the easy access they have lost to their nearest foreign market with each lot of meat having its own set of paperwork to be filled out and accepted. Read most articles and you will struggle to find a UK farmer who is pleased with the result of Brexit. Farmers don't control, nor should they control UK trading policy. You also forget to talk to the environmental devastation the CAP policy wrought on the UK environment too, with the huge cost to taxpayers it cost them. If unsubsidised Australian farmers can make their way in the world; then UK subsidised, profit losing farmers should be able to as well. UK consumers shouldn't be held captive to continental protective practices. Interesting view point. Are you suggesting we compete in the worlds open markets with no tariff protections? Or is it just our farmers who must do so? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 4, 2023 8:37:58 GMT
Petty insults aside (They're not compulsory you know) Do you see any improvements in the things I listed, they were the main reasons given at the time for escaping the EU. On the CAP. British farmers would disagree with you. They have seen subsidies reduced and the introduction of cheap lamb and beef from Australia. Alongside the easy access they have lost to their nearest foreign market with each lot of meat having its own set of paperwork to be filled out and accepted. Read most articles and you will struggle to find a UK farmer who is pleased with the result of Brexit. When I lived in France, cheap Australian meat, was piled high on supermarket shelves, I'm given to understand it still is; do you get anything right? Where did I say that wasn't the case. I doubt it was piled high (unless they were small shelves. Lol) There are tight quota's imposed across the EU. You might ask yourself why the UK didn't see shelves piled high when we were in the same EU as France. Do you get anything right. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 4, 2023 9:04:13 GMT
Enjoy your growth hormones everyone.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 4, 2023 9:07:28 GMT
When I lived in France, cheap Australian meat, was piled high on supermarket shelves, I'm given to understand it still is; do you get anything right? Where did I say that wasn't the case. I doubt it was piled high (unless they were small shelves. Lol) There are tight quota's imposed across the EU. You might ask yourself why the UK didn't see shelves piled high when we were in the same EU as France. Do you get anything right. I came back to England roughly every 9 months to buy food like English meat among other things; it sat side by side with foreign meat, each in large quantities. My first port of call was around 3am at Tesco, Bar Hill; I'm sure you know it. Here's some more. The EU is a small but high value market for Australian beef, especially grainfed exports, however trade remains sensitive to evolving market access conditions. The UK took 61% of Australian sheepmeat exports to the EU in 2018-19, the largest European destination for Australian lamb and mutton.
European Union | MLAWe export a lot of lamb and mutton to the EU, much of it for the halal market. |
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