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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 3, 2023 10:00:29 GMT
Reality is not having a load of Huns making our laws and being stitched up by the Frogs. We have left and they can't stand it, the EU is corrupt, self serving and leftie, we are much better out of it and I seriously wonder at the level of acumen and sanity of those who can't see that and wish to return. Why on earth do you want to be ruled by a load of left wing Jerries? We were not ruled by the EU we made the rules collaboratively. This is a lie spouted and repeated by the leavers. what you mean that subsidiarity bollox. Within minutes of the lisbon treaty not needung to be ratified by us the euro rats were using the excuse that we had a single market to demand the promise of local control as bullshitted by that lying prick major be exterminated. And it was.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 3, 2023 10:01:11 GMT
I couldn't care less who reported my avatar. I was going to remove it anyway after it had achieved my goal which it did. You were the first one to bitch about it tho. You want to see the ones I have lined up for the future. Just a warning because the usuals will need their therapists lol. Jolly good show. I look forward to you reaching for ever greater extremes to goad people and your eventual disappearance. My bitching as you describe it was for the continuation of the forum, I believe the tolerant moderation invites foul mouth empty headed morons like you to think they can say whatever dark thoughts creep around their heads. That you have no natural upper limit for your vitriol and must either be stopped by those mods or by the site owners. That is what happened to the last site. Personally I care not for your opinions as I do not value them, they are clearly ill thought through and you seem to think insults count as arguments. You are IMO a sad little angry man who has been left behind by society. Yes it is a jolly good show and as for me being angry you could change that to surprise. I am surprised how the remnants are still ranting on all these years later because they lost the poor souls. My heart bleads for them NOT.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 3, 2023 11:00:53 GMT
Your desperation is showing. Older people were accused of being the mainstay of Leavers, people who had long before made their minds up, nothing to do with last minute decisions, just a vision of the EEC/EU direction of travel; nice to see other members are becoming disaffected. There should have been a grown referendum where people could and would have been better informed, and could have voted from a well informed position. Better informed by who? - and why didnt they have a chance to put their position during the referendum?
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Post by zanygame on Jun 3, 2023 11:43:33 GMT
I definitely think the referendum was lost by remain who focused entirely on countering the claims made in the leave campaign and came across as fearful rather than positive. I also think most folks took it as given that remain would win and therefore didn't make the effort to vote. But we are out now and have been for some time. We have seen the promises fail one by one, the trade deals, the European car companies driving the commission to kowtow to us. The ease of transfer, the ignoring of the effects on the GFA. All these things and more have not come to pass, whether that's spite from the EU or not is academic in the sense that it has still happened. And its hard to blame America's unwillingness to give the UK a trade deal on the EU. The polls grow steadily year on year in favour of re-joining and eventually it will be seen as a vote winner rather than to contentious. Until then, we stumble along blaming everyone but ourselves. The remain campaign lied, Osbourne said if it was a vote to leave we would go into instant recession
"Brexit could plunge Britain into an instant recession, the Prime Minister and the Chancellor have said in the starkest economic warning yet of the consequences of Britain leaving the European Union.
According to a new analysis by the Treasury the recession – defined as at least two consecutive quarters of negative growth – would last for a year and leave the level of UK GDP 3.6 per cent lower in two years' time than otherwise if Britons vote to leave the 28-member bloc on 23 June".
Lies, lies and more lies ^^
No such thing happened, and they were gutted, and the likes of these remainers have done their damnedest to sabotage progress.
Can you clarify. Did he expect this recession to start the day after the vote or when we actually left the EU?
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 3, 2023 13:09:03 GMT
The remain campaign lied, Osbourne said if it was a vote to leave we would go into instant recession
"Brexit could plunge Britain into an instant recession, the Prime Minister and the Chancellor have said in the starkest economic warning yet of the consequences of Britain leaving the European Union.
According to a new analysis by the Treasury the recession – defined as at least two consecutive quarters of negative growth – would last for a year and leave the level of UK GDP 3.6 per cent lower in two years' time than otherwise if Britons vote to leave the 28-member bloc on 23 June".
Lies, lies and more lies ^^
No such thing happened, and they were gutted, and the likes of these remainers have done their damnedest to sabotage progress.
Can you clarify. Did he expect this recession to start the day after the vote or when we actually left the EU? Yes, if you read what I put, that's what Osbourne and Cameron said, they were scaremongering with the rest of the Remainers.
The clue is where is says 'instant'.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 3, 2023 13:26:36 GMT
Can you clarify. Did he expect this recession to start the day after the vote or when we actually left the EU? Yes, if you read what I put, that's what Osbourne and Cameron said, they were scaremongering with the rest of the Remainers.
The clue is where is says 'instant'.
Yes. Instantly we leave the EU or instantly we decide we are going to leave the EU?
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 3, 2023 14:04:54 GMT
Yes, if you read what I put, that's what Osbourne and Cameron said, they were scaremongering with the rest of the Remainers.
The clue is where is says 'instant'.
Yes. Instantly we leave the EU or instantly we decide we are going to leave the EU? If you can't work that one out for yourself that just about sums up the Remainer mentality, 'instantly' meant the moment the result for 'Leave' was declared.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 3, 2023 14:13:41 GMT
Yes. Instantly we leave the EU or instantly we decide we are going to leave the EU? If you can't work that one out for yourself that just about sums up the Remainer mentality, 'instantly' meant the moment the result for 'Leave' was declared. Fine if you don't know, no need to get insulting.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 3, 2023 16:06:04 GMT
If you can't work that one out for yourself that just about sums up the Remainer mentality, 'instantly' meant the moment the result for 'Leave' was declared. Fine if you don't know, no need to get insulting. It's not being 'insulting' when you keep asking the same rhetorical question, I am sure you know exactly what was meant by 'instant', the fact that your vagueness would either suggest you are purposely being vague or you actually can't understand the definition of 'instant', when Osbourne and Cameron were on the 'Remain' campaign they fact they said if we voted to Leave there would be a 'instant' recession, so on 24/06/2016 they were found to be liars, because there was no 'Instant' recession, the day Brexit was declared.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 3, 2023 16:18:52 GMT
Fine if you don't know, no need to get insulting. It's not being 'insulting' when you keep asking the same rhetorical question, I am sure you know exactly what was meant by 'instant', the fact that your vagueness would either suggest you are purposely being vague or you actually can't understand the definition of 'instant', when Osbourne and Cameron were on the 'Remain' campaign they fact they said if we voted to Leave there would be a 'instant' recession, so on 24/06/2016 they were found to be liars, because there was no 'Instant' recession, the day Brexit was declared. You would have thought the sky would cave in mate with all their childish predictions.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 3, 2023 16:31:40 GMT
It's not being 'insulting' when you keep asking the same rhetorical question, I am sure you know exactly what was meant by 'instant', the fact that your vagueness would either suggest you are purposely being vague or you actually can't understand the definition of 'instant', when Osbourne and Cameron were on the 'Remain' campaign they fact they said if we voted to Leave there would be a 'instant' recession, so on 24/06/2016 they were found to be liars, because there was no 'Instant' recession, the day Brexit was declared. You would have thought the sky would cave in mate with all their childish predictions. If we'd have listened to the idiots it was 'the end is nigh', that fuckin idiot Steve Bray with his banners outside Parliament, with his typical lefty woke idiotic face.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 3, 2023 17:05:41 GMT
Fine if you don't know, no need to get insulting. It's not being 'insulting' when you keep asking the same rhetorical question, I am sure you know exactly what was meant by 'instant', the fact that your vagueness would either suggest you are purposely being vague or you actually can't understand the definition of 'instant', when Osbourne and Cameron were on the 'Remain' campaign they fact they said if we voted to Leave there would be a 'instant' recession, so on 24/06/2016 they were found to be liars, because there was no 'Instant' recession, the day Brexit was declared. Well yes apologies. I didn't think you meant "instant" as in the second it happens, but there is quite a difference between the vote in 2016 and the UK finally leaving the EU in 2020, in the middle of Covid. You see the point I am making, that if its the latter 2020, then Covid would have hidden any effects. Which is what some people claim.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 3, 2023 17:14:06 GMT
It's not being 'insulting' when you keep asking the same rhetorical question, I am sure you know exactly what was meant by 'instant', the fact that your vagueness would either suggest you are purposely being vague or you actually can't understand the definition of 'instant', when Osbourne and Cameron were on the 'Remain' campaign they fact they said if we voted to Leave there would be a 'instant' recession, so on 24/06/2016 they were found to be liars, because there was no 'Instant' recession, the day Brexit was declared. Well yes apologies. I didn't think you meant "instant" as in the second it happens, but there is quite a difference between the vote in 2016 and the UK finally leaving the EU in 2020, in the middle of Covid. You see the point I am making, that if its the latter 2020, then Covid would have hidden any effects. Which is what some people claim. We know what a 'instant' recession means, and it can happen the day after.
I must admit I am still struggling to see why Truss/Kwarteng caused such a 'crash' by the mention of tax cuts, but there you go, Brexit result had no such impact.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 3, 2023 18:03:13 GMT
Well yes apologies. I didn't think you meant "instant" as in the second it happens, but there is quite a difference between the vote in 2016 and the UK finally leaving the EU in 2020, in the middle of Covid. You see the point I am making, that if its the latter 2020, then Covid would have hidden any effects. Which is what some people claim. We know what a 'instant' recession means, and it can happen the day after.
I must admit I am still struggling to see why Truss/Kwarteng caused such a 'crash' by the mention of tax cuts, but there you go, Brexit result had no such impact.
Understood. So they claimed the vote would send the UK economy into recession. I didn't know that
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 3, 2023 18:05:04 GMT
We know what a 'instant' recession means, and it can happen the day after.
I must admit I am still struggling to see why Truss/Kwarteng caused such a 'crash' by the mention of tax cuts, but there you go, Brexit result had no such impact.
Understood. So they claimed the vote would send the UK economy into recession. I didn't know that Ok so we got there in the end, phewww
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