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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 25, 2023 11:44:39 GMT
For years women firefighters (supported by their Union) campaigned for single sex changing rooms - their campaign was finally successful. Now they are told they must share them with a bloke in a frock called Dorothy. For years women athletes train day in day out to be the best in their sport - now they have to lose to a guy to a guy who was competing in mens events last year. etc etc Where is the fairness to women? I was having this conversation with a feminist colleague the other day. She was talking about how women fought for equality for years and yet now, if I choose to identify as female, my rights trump hers. Craziness. |
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Post by patman post on May 25, 2023 11:59:05 GMT
OK so I can see that this concerns you more than me. But you still haven’t given me any reason why I should change my mind from when I posted earlier: This whole debate isn't about anything that affects my daily life. I've probably met plenty of people socially and at work whose sexual and gender differences are different from the accepted norm, and I may or may not have realised. But apart from perhaps being entertained by those who make the most of their difference on stage, I can't say the topic has really impacted me. What is it that I'm not understanding about why this is taking up so much of our politicians' time...?
For years women firefighters (supported by their Union) campaigned for single sex changing rooms - their campaign was finally successful. Now they are told they must share them with a bloke in a frock called Dorothy. For years women athletes train day in day out to be the best in their sport - now they have to lose to a guy to a guy who was competing in mens events last year. etc etc Where is the fairness to women? Aren’t sports governing bodies and professions able to regulate their own organisations without needing Nanny to tell them what to do? OK, I admit none of this has affected or impacted me so far, and maybe I should be more empathetic to anyone who is adversely affected, but it passes me by at the moment. In fact, this thread is the greatest amount attention I’ve ever given to the subject.. |
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Post by borchester on May 25, 2023 13:46:47 GMT
What is it that I'm not understanding about why this is taking up so much of our politicians' time...? We live in quiet times |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 30, 2023 11:25:41 GMT
There isn't anyone in politics who speaks up for normal people. They've all been brought by the American lunatics. The sensible politicians, the politicians who speak for normal people are slowly being forced out by a politically biased civil service. I predict in future all jobs will make you believe this shit. |
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Post by Orac on May 30, 2023 11:50:53 GMT
The sensible politicians, the politicians who speak for normal people are slowly being forced out by a politically biased civil service. I predict in future all jobs will make you believe this shit. There is not much future about it, the wave is coming. It won't be long before you will have to undergo a political interview to open a bank account. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 30, 2023 17:51:57 GMT
The sensible politicians, the politicians who speak for normal people are slowly being forced out by a politically biased civil service. I predict in future all jobs will make you believe this shit. The reason the government are having such a fight trying to stop illegals entering this country and deporting illegals is because an anonymous unelected pro EU bunch of lefties called the civil service disagree with government policy. Who governs this country, the government or the civil service? Anti government civil servants should be fired, naturally the rest of them will strike in sympathy. They should be fired too. And don't tell me it cant be done because it can, if the government have the will to do it. Thatcher certainly wouldn't allow the civil service to dictate government policy, and remember Regan? US air traffic controllers went on strike, so Regan sacked the lot of em. Yes it caused some disruption but the left wing trouble makers were out. That is the approach the government should have now. Come down hard on anarchists and disruptive lefties, it's the only language they understand. |
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Post by Montegriffo on May 30, 2023 22:51:53 GMT
I see. So if you were introduced to a strapping prop forward with biceps like Garth and a voice deeper than Barry White, called Susan, you wouldn't bat an eyelid, OK that's fair enough. I concede I may have a quiet giggle but then I've never been politically correct. The point is, it doesn't matter what the politically correct thinking is at the moment it will never alter the fact that the afore mentioned 'Big Sue' will die a man. Science cannot alter a persons biological sex, if you are born male you will die male, and until science discovers a way to alter chromosomes, that is not going to change. So, back to the beginning. Yes a man can wear a dress and if he so chooses call himself Susan. But that doesn't mean he's a woman. It means he is a man, in a dress, called Susan. OK so I can see that this concerns you more than me. But you still haven’t given me any reason why I should change my mind from when I posted earlier: This whole debate isn't about anything that affects my daily life. I've probably met plenty of people socially and at work whose sexual and gender differences are different from the accepted norm, and I may or may not have realised. But apart from perhaps being entertained by those who make the most of their difference on stage, I can't say the topic has really impacted me. What is it that I'm not understanding about why this is taking up so much of our politicians' time...? It's just another culture war wedge issue designed to outrage the permanently outraged and convince us all there is a difference between voting for either of the two main parties. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 2, 2023 3:48:22 GMT
OK so I can see that this concerns you more than me. But you still haven’t given me any reason why I should change my mind from when I posted earlier: This whole debate isn't about anything that affects my daily life. I've probably met plenty of people socially and at work whose sexual and gender differences are different from the accepted norm, and I may or may not have realised. But apart from perhaps being entertained by those who make the most of their difference on stage, I can't say the topic has really impacted me. What is it that I'm not understanding about why this is taking up so much of our politicians' time...? It's just another culture war wedge issue designed to outrage the permanently outraged and convince us all there is a difference between voting for either of the two main parties. No it's not. As, I think it was TSM said earlier, we have become soft and pampered. WW2 isn't even talked about, kids today don't know British soldiers died in Korea, and these days the austere 50's is all about Empire Windrush. One thing that will bring government and people back to their senses, is war. Believe me real hardship focuses ones attention like nothing else. All this lefty woke bullshit would be forgotten in a second. People would be forced to focus on serious matters. I'm not suggesting for a moment that I want a war, good god no. But the reason we're so soft and pampered is because we've forgotten what hardship is like. |
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Post by colbops on Jun 2, 2023 14:09:53 GMT
But the reason we're so soft and pampered is because we've forgotten what hardship is like. Maybe you have but don't speak for everyone else. Some of us have to buy supermarket own brand caviar and sparkling wine because of the cost of childcare. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 2, 2023 21:25:14 GMT
I predict in future all jobs will make you believe this shit. There is not much future about it, the wave is coming. It won't be long before you will have to undergo a political interview to open a bank account.We are already there in Canada - hold the wrong political views and the Government locks your bank account. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 2, 2023 22:36:14 GMT
There is not much future about it, the wave is coming. It won't be long before you will have to undergo a political interview to open a bank account.We are already there in Canada - hold the wrong political views and the Government locks your bank account. Hold the wrong political views or donate money to a lawbreaking organisation? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 3, 2023 7:14:40 GMT
We are already there in Canada - hold the wrong political views and the Government locks your bank account. Hold the wrong political views or donate money to a lawbreaking organisation? No - just hold the 'wrong' views.. "Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said at Monday's news conference that banks would be able freeze personal accounts of anyone linked with the protests without any need for a court order.
Vehicle insurance of anyone involved with the demonstrations can also be suspended, she added." |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 6, 2023 1:32:13 GMT
But the reason we're so soft and pampered is because we've forgotten what hardship is like. Maybe you have but don't speak for everyone else. Some of us have to buy supermarket own brand caviar and sparkling wine because of the cost of childcare. I'm enjoying life now, but trust me it's been a long time comming. I know what hardship is, I'm not going into that. Suffice to say I know life today is a damned sight more comfortable than it was when we were kids. I don't know how old you are but trust me in the 1960's the social safety nets that people today take for granted, didn't exist. But we weren't offended, we just got on with it. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 7, 2023 19:04:21 GMT
Exactly the 40's and 50;s were very difficult times , 60's slightly better back then if out of work you had to go to the Labour Exchange ( Dole Office) within a few weeks if you had not taken any of the Jobs offered to you that was it Dole stopped
When hungry and can't feed yourself your kids or pay the rent you found work any work,
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Post by bancroft on Jun 26, 2023 11:09:01 GMT
Exactly the 40's and 50;s were very difficult times , 60's slightly better back then if out of work you had to go to the Labour Exchange ( Dole Office) within a few weeks if you had not taken any of the Jobs offered to you that was it Dole stopped When hungry and can't feed yourself your kids or pay the rent you found work any work, Different times, little automation and no computers so many more roles to be filled. |
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