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Post by zanygame on May 26, 2023 19:09:10 GMT
Don't be pathetic. I am very pleased to be rich. I like my posh car with all its gadgets, my nice home and garden, my good whiskeys and my 4 or 5 holidays a year. There you go - there's the problem. People like you are diligent and work hard and it makes the wealth gap bigger. Are well this isn't in the mind zone, so I guess this is all I can expect. |
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Post by zanygame on May 26, 2023 19:11:41 GMT
Don't be pathetic. I am very pleased to be rich. I like my posh car with all its gadgets, my nice home and garden, my good whiskeys and my 4 or 5 holidays a year. And I can have all that and still easily pay more tax, and I'm nowhere near as wealthy as some of my friends and directors. No one has to cut their quality of life to make this country a better place for everyone. Why are you so mean minded, If you can't afford to pay more tax, fine, you are not the people I am talking about. In that case, rather than insisting on more tax, which will probably only be pissed up the wall anyway why not do your bit to deal with wage disparity. Set an example for other business owners to follow Pay all your staff £30 an hour minimum. If you can afford to pay them all £40 an hour do that instead. Problem solved. Problem solved? How does paying staff who already have good jobs more money in one sme solve the problem. |
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Post by colbops on May 26, 2023 19:28:20 GMT
In that case, rather than insisting on more tax, which will probably only be pissed up the wall anyway why not do your bit to deal with wage disparity. Set an example for other business owners to follow Pay all your staff £30 an hour minimum. If you can afford to pay them all £40 an hour do that instead. Problem solved. Problem solved? How does paying staff who already have good jobs more money in one sme solve the problem. You are reducing the problem. Its a small thing that is within your power. It is something that can be done right now. You don't need anyone else to help you make it happen. It would set a good example for other SME's be part of the solution now rather than part of the problem. You have no problem paying more tax - why do you have a problem about giving your staff better salaries bringing them a bit closer to your earnings. How can improving wage disparity be important to you if you aren't even willing to do something about wage disparity within your own business? |
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Post by zanygame on May 26, 2023 19:51:36 GMT
Problem solved? How does paying staff who already have good jobs more money in one sme solve the problem. You are reducing the problem. Its a small thing that is within your power. It is something that can be done right now. You don't need anyone else to help you make it happen. It would set a good example for other SME's be part of the solution now rather than part of the problem. You have no problem paying more tax - why do you have a problem about giving your staff better salaries bringing them a bit closer to your earnings. How can improving wage disparity be important to you if you aren't even willing to do something about wage disparity within your own business? I'll forgive your ignorance of business, its very common. Let me explain, I employ about 100 people, if I gave them your proposed pay rise it would cost in excess of £2.5m and bankrupt the company and they would have no jobs. Against this I am discussing me paying an extra 10 to 15k a year in tax along with everyone else on over 100k a year. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 26, 2023 20:01:01 GMT
Don't be pathetic. I am very pleased to be rich. I like my posh car with all its gadgets, my nice home and garden, my good whiskeys and my 4 or 5 holidays a year. And I can have all that and still easily pay more tax, and I'm nowhere near as wealthy as some of my friends and directors... And, of course, the only alternative would be to be a drug dealer. Even school's careers officers are talking in those terms these days: "Sorry, little Johnny but you're not bright enough to run an exploitative business model like Zany. No, me laddo, it's drug dealing for you."  Meanwhile, back in the real world... |
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Post by zanygame on May 26, 2023 20:17:07 GMT
Don't be pathetic. I am very pleased to be rich. I like my posh car with all its gadgets, my nice home and garden, my good whiskeys and my 4 or 5 holidays a year. And I can have all that and still easily pay more tax, and I'm nowhere near as wealthy as some of my friends and directors... And, of course, the only alternative would be to be a drug dealer. Even school's careers officers are talking in those terms these days: "Sorry, little Johnny but you're not bright enough to run an exploitative business model like Zany. No, me laddo, it's drug dealing for you." Meanwhile, back in the real world... Does all business exploit? Is that why you failed to achieve it? |
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Post by colbops on May 26, 2023 20:18:32 GMT
You are reducing the problem. Its a small thing that is within your power. It is something that can be done right now. You don't need anyone else to help you make it happen. It would set a good example for other SME's be part of the solution now rather than part of the problem. You have no problem paying more tax - why do you have a problem about giving your staff better salaries bringing them a bit closer to your earnings. How can improving wage disparity be important to you if you aren't even willing to do something about wage disparity within your own business? I'll forgive your ignorance of business, its very common. Let me explain, I employ about 100 people, if I gave them your proposed pay rise it would cost in excess of £2.5m and bankrupt the company and they would have no jobs. Against this I am discussing me paying an extra 10 to 15k a year in tax along with everyone else on over 100k a year. I'll forgive your condescension. Clearly I haven't seen your accounts and I don't know anything about your business. Without pertinent information I can't provide you with the specific figures that would work for your particular financial circumstances. I figured you would understand that without me needing to explain it to you. The principle remains valid. If you were truly concerned with wage disparity you could make a small contribution by working out what your business could afford to pay out in wages and divide that sum equally between your workers based on their hours. Let me explain something to you. Increasing taxes on those earning over 100K won't work. Most directors do not take 100K+ salaries as it isn't very tax efficient. All it would do is impact highly skilled employees while directors would continue to use the usual tax avoidance tactics - in fact more directors would get tax advice and mitigate their tax liabilities. 100K+ salaries are in the realm of the top 5%. the very few. It wouldn't achieve very much coupled with more aggressive tax avoidance strategies. The people it would most hurt are the people who come from nothing and are trying to make something of themselves. Anyway put your money where your mouth is. Give your staff pay rises to the maximum of your financial ability. |
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Post by zanygame on May 26, 2023 20:55:52 GMT
I'll forgive your ignorance of business, its very common. Let me explain, I employ about 100 people, if I gave them your proposed pay rise it would cost in excess of £2.5m and bankrupt the company and they would have no jobs. Against this I am discussing me paying an extra 10 to 15k a year in tax along with everyone else on over 100k a year. I'll forgive your condescension. Clearly I haven't seen your accounts and I don't know anything about your business. Without pertinent information I can't provide you with the specific figures that would work for your particular financial circumstances. I figured you would understand that without me needing to explain it to you. The principle remains valid. If you were truly concerned with wage disparity you could make a small contribution by working out what your business could afford to pay out in wages and divide that sum equally between your workers based on their hours. Let me explain something to you. Increasing taxes on those earning over 100K won't work. Most directors do not take 100K+ salaries as it isn't very tax efficient. All it would do is impact highly skilled employees while directors would continue to use the usual tax avoidance tactics - in fact more directors would get tax advice and mitigate their tax liabilities. 100K+ salaries are in the realm of the top 5%. the very few. It wouldn't achieve very much coupled with more aggressive tax avoidance strategies. The people it would most hurt are the people who come from nothing and are trying to make something of themselves. Anyway put your money where your mouth is. Give your staff pay rises to the maximum of your financial ability. My condescension? It was you who suggested I should pay all my staff £30 to £40 an hour without any idea about my business. Simply to dismiss the idea that I and other well paid folks should pay a bit more tax. Your ignorance of business is very common. The idea that businesses make endless money with no restraints. I'm afraid its not like that. It a business makes good money, then someone will undercut you. So most business make reasonable money and only when having reached a certain size can a large turnover produce a good profit. As for my staff, I already do, they have had on average 12% pay rises this year, partly to retain them and partly because I feel for their needs in the current climate. Of course, the current climate also means our sales are down by 20% as well, but heck bosses don't have feelings do they. However in order to get a large turnover you need man staff and therefore if you give everyone a large pay rise you quickly remove that profit. The exceptions are the ones you always here about, the ones with products in short supply or where they have monopolies or government licenses. Taxes on those earning more than 100k The top 5% don't earn 100k. They earn 40% of the countries entire wealth. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 26, 2023 21:19:53 GMT
And, of course, the only alternative would be to be a drug dealer. Even school's careers officers are talking in those terms these days: "Sorry, little Johnny but you're not bright enough to run an exploitative business model like Zany. No, me laddo, it's drug dealing for you." Meanwhile, back in the real world... Does all business exploit? Is that why you failed to achieve it? LOL!
Meanwhile, back in the real world...
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Post by zanygame on May 26, 2023 22:06:28 GMT
Does all business exploit? Is that why you failed to achieve it? LOL!
Meanwhile, back in the real world...
The real world where you never built your own business? Your fear of exploiting people?  |
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Post by buccaneer on May 26, 2023 23:42:46 GMT
also - you could try to be more lazy, wasteful and inattentive, so your business makes smaller profits. When it comes to the wealth disparity, every bit helps. Don't be pathetic. I am very pleased to be rich. I like my posh car with all its gadgets, my nice home and garden, my good whiskeys and my 4 or 5 holidays a year. And I can have all that and still easily pay more tax, and I'm nowhere near as wealthy as some of my friends and directors. No one has to cut their quality of life to make this country a better place for everyone. Why are you so mean minded, If you can't afford to pay more tax, fine, you are not the people I am talking about. So you as the champagne socialist admit you're making the drug running industry viable. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 27, 2023 4:32:48 GMT
LOL! Meanwhile, back in the real world...
The real world where you never built your own business? Your fear of exploiting people? Oh but I did Zany and ran it for the best part of a decade. I wonder if you ever actually did though. |
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Post by zanygame on May 27, 2023 6:20:06 GMT
The real world where you never built your own business? Your fear of exploiting people? Oh but I did Zany and ran it for the best part of a decade. I wonder if you ever actually did though. You exploited people for a decade. Well there's a turn up for the books. |
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Post by zanygame on May 27, 2023 6:22:19 GMT
Don't be pathetic. I am very pleased to be rich. I like my posh car with all its gadgets, my nice home and garden, my good whiskeys and my 4 or 5 holidays a year. And I can have all that and still easily pay more tax, and I'm nowhere near as wealthy as some of my friends and directors. No one has to cut their quality of life to make this country a better place for everyone. Why are you so mean minded, If you can't afford to pay more tax, fine, you are not the people I am talking about. So you as the champagne socialist admit you're making the drug running industry viable. My entire business model. 🙄 Mods: This is the quality of debate on here outside the mind zone. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 27, 2023 6:26:37 GMT
So you as the champagne socialist admit you're making the drug running industry viable. My entire business model. 🙄 Mods: This is the quality of debate on here outside the mind zone. Lol Says the twit who posted this pearler: Yep. Your inferior posting quality set the tone for this thread. Well done you. |
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