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May 23, 2023 14:45:25 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on May 23, 2023 14:45:25 GMT
To be clear, I'm not defending the just stop oil protesters, but you also can't go round assaulting them either.
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Post by Toreador on May 23, 2023 14:47:02 GMT
Read the title of this thread. |
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May 23, 2023 14:48:35 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on May 23, 2023 14:48:35 GMT
Read the title of this thread. The title of the thread is just a profanity. |
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May 23, 2023 14:55:24 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on May 23, 2023 14:55:24 GMT
He was unlawfully stopped from going about his business, and he was removing those obstacle's, the fact the plod were aiding and abetting people in criminal activity I think the victim should take this up with his solicitor. |
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May 23, 2023 14:56:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2023 14:56:17 GMT
To be clear, I'm not defending the just stop oil protesters, but you also can't go round assaulting them either. You can, but you have to be part of the useful idiot crowd. |
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May 23, 2023 15:00:47 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on May 23, 2023 15:00:47 GMT
He was unlawfully stopped from going about his business, and he was removing those obstacle's, the fact the plod were aiding and abetting people in criminal activity I think the victim should take this up with his solicitor. I agree with your first part of the sentence, but that is not the definition of "defending yourself" is it? |
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May 23, 2023 15:05:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2023 15:05:22 GMT
He was unlawfully stopped from going about his business, and he was removing those obstacle's, the fact the plod were aiding and abetting people in criminal activity I think the victim should take this up with his solicitor. Stop Oil is just making it harder for the working man to go about their business in a world where the cost of driving is climbing so high that the roads will eventually only be used by the rich. It's then the police may take some action against them.
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May 23, 2023 15:07:09 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on May 23, 2023 15:07:09 GMT
He was unlawfully stopped from going about his business, and he was removing those obstacle's, the fact the plod were aiding and abetting people in criminal activity I think the victim should take this up with his solicitor. I agree with your first part of the sentence, but that is not the definition of "defending yourself" is it? If someone unlawfully stopped you going where you wanted to go, what would you do?
Ring the police? ... they were already there aiding and abetting the law breakers, so the victim had to defend himself, and he is quite within his rights to do so.
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Post by Bentley on May 23, 2023 15:10:39 GMT
One is not enough . We need a few thousand more like him.
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May 23, 2023 15:13:37 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on May 23, 2023 15:13:37 GMT
I agree with your first part of the sentence, but that is not the definition of "defending yourself" is it? If someone unlawfully stopped you going where you wanted to go, what would you do?
Ring the police? ... they were already there aiding and abetting the law breakers, so the victim had to defend himself, and he is quite within his rights to do so.
I agree that he was frustrated, but in spite of your declaration, he was not "defending himself", and you know it. He was not in fear of injury or death and you aren't that stupid. Just because you get angry does not justify aggression. |
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Post by Toreador on May 23, 2023 15:19:53 GMT
If someone unlawfully stopped you going where you wanted to go, what would you do?
Ring the police? ... they were already there aiding and abetting the law breakers, so the victim had to defend himself, and he is quite within his rights to do so.
I agree that he was frustrated, but in spite of your declaration, he was not "defending himself", and you know it. He was not in fear of injury or death and you aren't that stupid. Just because you get angry does not justify aggression. Why is there so many people like you and Red Rum who want to defend these people? Why were the police escorting people in a way that posed a problem for those going about their lawful business? That's why this thread is entitled FFS. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 23, 2023 15:22:51 GMT
To be clear, I'm not defending the just stop oil protesters, but you also can't go round assaulting them either. But you do have the right to use reasonable force to prevent an offence.
That's what he was doing, whether the police like it or not.
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May 23, 2023 15:26:11 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on May 23, 2023 15:26:11 GMT
To be clear, I'm not defending the just stop oil protesters, but you also can't go round assaulting them either. But you do have the right to use reasonable force to prevent an offence.
That's what he was doing, whether the police like it or not.
He was actually doing the work of the police, and I hope he sends the Met a bill for his services. |
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May 23, 2023 15:31:20 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on May 23, 2023 15:31:20 GMT
But you do have the right to use reasonable force to prevent an offence.
That's what he was doing, whether the police like it or not.
He was actually doing the work of the police, and I hope he sends the Met a bill for his services. So, you've changed your mind and realised that it's not "self defence". |
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May 23, 2023 15:31:48 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on May 23, 2023 15:31:48 GMT
To be clear, I'm not defending the just stop oil protesters, but you also can't go round assaulting them either. But you do have the right to use reasonable force to prevent an offence.
That's what he was doing, whether the police like it or not.
But not vigilante. |
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