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Post by wapentake on May 22, 2023 9:05:14 GMT
So what it boils down to is Labour are outraged that Braverman asked the Civil Service to help her do a private speed awareness course - and the Civil Service are outraged at being asked to do any work at all.. The outrage took 9 months! This has been timed for effect, hasn't it? Making a baby takes time
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Post by Hutchyns on May 22, 2023 9:06:48 GMT
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Wasn't that precisely what she was in the process of doing ..... finding out whether an awareness course could be completed, for instance in her own time on a Saturday morning ...rather than spending time away from her important role as Attorney General to join the rabble in a Group session, that by it's very nature would be considerably more time consuming ? There are numerous considerations to be taken into account given braverman's position, and flipping a coin to decide between points or a course would bring about the quickest but not necessarily the best decision.
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Is there any question that Braverman did not/has not accepted her mistake ? And when armed with the information that no 'one to one' course could be provided, even for a Home Secretary trying to repel an armada of small boats rammed to the gills with illegals ..... arriving on British shores in increasing numbers as each day went by ...... then what a hullabaloo the Left would have made if Braverman had taken some time off work to attend the awareness course in order to prevent points on her licence and to save herself a few quid !
She put Country before self ....took the fine and the points so that she could use every moment of her time trying to arrange planes to fly the illegals off to Rwanda. The BBC admits as much today: 'When the course provider told her there was no option to do this - and after she was reappointed home secretary in Mr Sunak's government - she opted to pay the fine and accept the points because she was "very busy" and did not have the time to do a course'.
And what thanks has this selfless and patriotic behaviour gained her ? Absolutely zilch ....in fact quite the opposite, as she's the centre of the confected outrage of the Left wing media who are using all their energies banging on the hullabaloo button ..... as a bewildered British public try to work out why they're being told this is the greatest crisis since Suez, and that hanging is too good for Suella given the immense gravity of her crimes.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 10:13:39 GMT
That's why we need an inquiry, to find out what did happen. Then you answered your own question She paid the fine and took the points deduction after, allegedly, attempting to 'get away with it'. So we don't need an enquiry. We need the Civil Service to shut up, get on with the job and stop troublemaking 9 months after something didn't really happen. Of course, let the wealthy and powerful get away with using their status to subvert justice, typical.
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Post by Pacifico on May 22, 2023 12:02:48 GMT
So what it boils down to is Labour are outraged that Braverman asked the Civil Service to help her do a private speed awareness course - and the Civil Service are outraged at being asked to do any work at all.. The outrage took 9 months! This has been timed for effect, hasn't it? It's the Civil Service flexing their muscles - they got rid of Raab and now they have come for Braverman. If she goes the Civil Service will turn on someone else.
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Post by Orac on May 22, 2023 12:09:37 GMT
We have an imbedded, unelected Soviet, trimming our elected governments to their preferences.
The signs it is out control have been there for years and the Conservatives have done nothing at all about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 12:50:35 GMT
Red Rum Wasn't that precisely what she was in the process of doing ..... finding out whether an awareness course could be completed, for instance in her own time on a Saturday morning ...rather than spending time away from her important role as Attorney General to join the rabble in a Group session, that by it's very nature would be considerably more time consuming ? There are numerous considerations to be taken into account given braverman's position, and flipping a coin to decide between points or a course would bring about the quickest but not necessarily the best decision. Red Rum Is there any question that Braverman did not/has not accepted her mistake ? And when armed with the information that no 'one to one' course could be provided, even for a Home Secretary trying to repel an armada of small boats rammed to the gills with illegals ..... arriving on British shores in increasing numbers as each day went by ...... then what a hullabaloo the Left would have made if Braverman had taken some time off work to attend the awareness course in order to prevent points on her licence and to save herself a few quid ! She put Country before self ....took the fine and the points so that she could use every moment of her time trying to arrange planes to fly the illegals off to Rwanda. The BBC admits as much today: 'When the course provider told her there was no option to do this - and after she was reappointed home secretary in Mr Sunak's government - she opted to pay the fine and accept the points because she was "very busy" and did not have the time to do a course'. And what thanks has this selfless and patriotic behaviour gained her ? Absolutely zilch ....in fact quite the opposite, as she's the centre of the confected outrage of the Left wing media who are using all their energies banging on the hullabaloo button ..... as a bewildered British public try to work out why they're being told this is the greatest crisis since Suez, and that hanging is too good for Suella given the immense gravity of her crimes. Her 'position' is the point in a nutshell. She should not have been using the civil service or political aides to assist her in a private matter, we pay their wages. There is a question as to her acceptance, initially, that the rules we all live by do not apply to her because of her position. "She put country before self" is the most comical phrase I have ever heard about Braverman and it's certainly not a person that most of the country recognise. I think you are having a laugh, I cannot believe anyone can believe that Braverman is selfless, not even the hard right Tories. You're on your own their pal.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 12:52:18 GMT
The outrage took 9 months! This has been timed for effect, hasn't it? It's the Civil Service flexing their muscles - they got rid of Raab and now they have come for Braverman. If she goes the Civil Service will turn on someone else. Rabb broke the rules? Braverman has potentially broke the rules? There's a pattern here.
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Post by Orac on May 22, 2023 12:58:15 GMT
Well rules are one thing, but what I'm intrigued by is what she did that was supposedly wrong. Still no answer on that front.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 13:03:56 GMT
It's the Civil Service flexing their muscles - they got rid of Raab and now they have come for Braverman. If she goes the Civil Service will turn on someone else. Rabb broke the rules? Braverman has potentially broke the rules? There's a pattern here. The pattern has already been highlighted by Pacifico.
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Post by Orac on May 22, 2023 13:09:28 GMT
“Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”
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Post by Handyman on May 22, 2023 17:26:56 GMT
Interestingly, I'm currently listening to lawyer Nick Freeman otherwise known as Mr Loophole, on GB News. He says he has arranged many one to one, or private speed awareness courses for 'celebrity' clients. In his opinion this is politically motivated and Braverman did nothing that could possibly be construed as legally wrong. Yes I read it in the Telegraph today ‘Nick Freeman, a motoring lawyer known as Mr Loophole, said high-profile figures often completed speed awareness courses in private and that Ms Braverman had “not broken the law, nor has she done anything wrong” Now if anyone does know about Speeding Tickets its him he has won enough Court cases to prove it
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Post by ratcliff on May 22, 2023 23:42:42 GMT
Is it right for a 'citizen' of this country to attempt, using a position of power, to avoid paying a speeding fine? position of power/attempt to avoid a speeding fine
What rot Most drivers in receipt of a speeding ticket through the post are offered the opportunity/choice to avoid points on their licence and a fine by taking a group speed awareness class which lasts a couple of hours and they have pay the equivalent of the fine for course registration. A hotel local to where I live hosts these ciurses 2 days a week (yes I'm fully aware that it depends on your prior driving record ) From what I've read all she did was to ask an official if it was possible to take the course on a 1-2-1 basis rather than in a group probably because she would be recognised. A reasonable request imo and an option probably explored by many famous faces. She chose to take the points and pay a fine instead as she (and most drivers ) was entitled to A complete non story
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Post by ratcliff on May 22, 2023 23:52:42 GMT
Why is everybody ignoring the fact there’s an online option,and that the chance she’d be recognised is almost nil? The course uses zoom . You can see each other . If you couldn’t Braverman then you shouldn’t be allowed on the road . I've done a speed awareness course, they offered hot drinks and biscuits in the 10 minute break There was no online option offered
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Post by sheepy on May 23, 2023 5:30:17 GMT
The course uses zoom . You can see each other . If you couldn’t Braverman then you shouldn’t be allowed on the road . I've done a speed awareness course, they offered hot drinks and biscuits in the 10 minute break There was no online option offered So have I and you cannot do another one if you reoffend within 3 years.
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Post by sheepy on May 23, 2023 5:51:23 GMT
The outrage took 9 months! This has been timed for effect, hasn't it? Making a baby takes time But then, what we are really fighting about is, politicians and a civil service and a media who have no intention of backing democracy, but instead want to control it for their own selfish intentions.
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