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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 16:51:15 GMT
Is it right for a 'citizen' of this country to attempt, using a position of power, to avoid paying a speeding fine? No. Did that happen? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 17:06:08 GMT
I've now caught up with the thread and think that Braverman has no case to answer, she paid the fine rather than faff about with a course where she would be recognised.
I wonder which labour friendly senior civil servant leaked this to Starmer?
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Post by Hutchyns on May 21, 2023 17:09:24 GMT
She did not want to go because she may have been recognised, she tried to get the civil service to organise a 'one to one', that is the problem. Why is asking for that that a problem? RedRum says that Braverman considered that she 'may' have been recognised if she attended a Group meeting. I think it's safe to say that if some attendees didn't immediately recognise her, the mere presence of the Home Secretary with her bodyguards would have been a distraction for others attending the course and negatively impacted upon the course for all concerned. Whether there's discussion of the type of car driven, the area, the time of day, possible school run etc, it would be understandable that Braverman would be reluctant to reveal such details which could indicate when she's not being chauffeured by Government car, but is driving herself and young children ... the fewer people party to such information the better from the point of view of her and her family. RedRum who will no doubt provide clarity, but may be insinuating that Braverman should have immediate and perfect recall of all aspects of the Ministerial code, and therefore asking a Civil Servant to enquire for her regarding a matter that was related to her as a private citizen rather than a Home Office or Government matter, is a momentary mistake of such severe gravity, that this 'problem' can only be retrospectively solved by the dismissal of the Home Secretary ? While Braverman appears to have readily acknowledged the advice she received, that the Civil Service couldn't take up her request, and so she delegated to a Special Advisor instead to make the necessary enquiry. While it does appear to be little more than a historical tiny storm in a very small teacup, the Left are characteristically baying for blood. In addition, would Rishi rather like to be presented with even a semi plausible excuse to rid himself of Braverman from his Government ? As for the timing, and why this should be (conveniently ?) dragged up now, with another set of shockingly high immigration figures due for release on Thursday, a good time to shift the spotlight onto a 'failed' Home Secretary rather than on No.10 ? |
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Post by Orac on May 21, 2023 17:27:53 GMT
It's an outrage
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Post by patman post on May 21, 2023 17:34:46 GMT
With all the confusingly applied speed limits being applied to the roads, exceeding the limit by a few mph is increasingly easy. The option of a "speed awareness course" might be interpreted as a recognition of this. It's certainly not a major offence.
Where Home Secretary, Braverman, apparently went wrong was to use her position to try and get her civil servants to get her a private or one-to-one course rather than attending a class where she could be recognised. That wasn't possible, so she paid the fine and got the points — plus the opprobrium of trying to use the civil service for a personal matter...
She wanted to know if she could do a private awareness course - if she shouldn't have asked the Civil Servents who should she have asked? Surely, if she had any queries, the sensible reaction would have been to contact the body that sent her the original notification of the offence and details of how she could either enlist on a speed awareness course or be fined and her licence endorsed...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 17:43:28 GMT
I knew PP would know the sensible course of action. Thanks for sharing that with us, PP.
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Post by colbops on May 21, 2023 17:56:42 GMT
She wanted to know if she could do a private awareness course - if she shouldn't have asked the Civil Servents who should she have asked? Surely, if she had any queries, the sensible reaction would have been to contact the body that sent her the original notification of the offence and details of how she could either enlist on a speed awareness course or be fined and her licence endorsed...
I expect she gets her minions to get her lunch, arrange her diary, send her mum some flowers on her birthday, wipe her arse. Why would this be any different. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 21, 2023 18:01:38 GMT
She wanted to know if she could do a private awareness course - if she shouldn't have asked the Civil Servents who should she have asked? Surely, if she had any queries, the sensible reaction would have been to contact the body that sent her the original notification of the offence and details of how she could either enlist on a speed awareness course or be fined and her licence endorsed...
Who are civil servants.. So you can ask one lot of civil servants a question but not ask another lot the same question... Yes - definitely a sackable offence...  |
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Post by Equivocal on May 21, 2023 18:06:29 GMT
I'm no Braverman fan, but there doesn't appear to be very much at all in this.
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Post by patman post on May 21, 2023 18:07:40 GMT
Surely, if she had any queries, the sensible reaction would have been to contact the body that sent her the original notification of the offence and details of how she could either enlist on a speed awareness course or be fined and her licence endorsed...
Who are civil servants.. So you can ask one lot of civil servants a question but not ask another lot the same question... Yes - definitely a sackable offence... A Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) is a document sent by the Police to the vehicle's registered keeper following a speeding offence. It details the offence and contains instructions on what to do next.
Police, along with teachers, NHS staff, members of the armed forces and local government officers, are not counted as civil servants...
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Post by Red Rackham on May 21, 2023 18:48:32 GMT
Is it right for a 'citizen' of this country to attempt, using a position of power, to avoid paying a speeding fine? LOL, you pillock. Why not blame her for covid while you're at it? Payment of the fine is not in question, what is in question is her request to attend a one to one, or private speed awareness course. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 21, 2023 18:49:10 GMT
I'm no Braverman fan, but there doesn't appear to be very much at all in this. Well said. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 21, 2023 20:34:00 GMT
Interestingly, I'm currently listening to lawyer Nick Freeman otherwise known as Mr Loophole, on GB News. He says he has arranged many one to one, or private speed awareness courses for 'celebrity' clients. In his opinion this is politically motivated and Braverman did nothing that could possibly be construed as legally wrong.
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Post by wapentake on May 21, 2023 20:49:33 GMT
I got done last year,tailgater and stupidly I went faster because there was nowhere else to go and the prat just increased and sat on my ****
I suspect they were that close their plate wasn’t read and so they got away with it,no biggie I did the course better than points I had a clean licence.
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Post by colbops on May 21, 2023 20:54:40 GMT
I got done last year,tailgater and stupidly I went faster because there was nowhere else to go and the prat just increased and sat on my **** I suspect they were that close their plate wasn’t read and so they got away with it,no biggie I did the course better than points I had a clean licence. Did you learn anything? |
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