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Post by jonksy on May 20, 2023 11:11:27 GMT
I think that the point is being deliberately missed here, the actual event of Brexit was not a mistake, the failure that Farage has spoken about refers to the Conservative Government failing to using the new Brexit opportunities to our benefit. We had that walking traitoress disaster Mrs May saying one thing and trying to stitch us up with the EU, then we had the bombastic buffoon Boris saying one thing and doing something else, the next PM was quickly and undemocratically dispatched by the Tory establishment and the current bloke shoe horned in place without any form of democratic action. That is the failure, not the decision to leave the EU, that was correct and in time will prove to be good for this country. The Tories don't want Brexit and have impeded it every step of the way whilst telling us they weren't, they deserve to be chucked out into the wilderness next election. You've got it. The usuals just won't accept that we have left their beloved EUSSR.
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Post by sheepy on May 20, 2023 15:39:44 GMT
But then you are not the brightest spark in the box or the most democratic being a little Hitler type. And that comment is supposed to be showcasing your intelligence, is it? Hate to tell you this but it is not working very well. No sweat I can take a little criticism without going overboard Steve, if I remember rightly you couldn't.
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Post by jeg er on May 20, 2023 16:38:45 GMT
Which is just an admittance of what we told him from the start, if he threw in with the Westminster party it would be a disaster. he never said that. you have quoted him out of context
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Post by andrewbrown on May 20, 2023 17:34:40 GMT
The Tories don't want Brexit and have impeded it every step of the way whilst telling us they weren't, they deserve to be chucked out into the wilderness next election. The Tories never told you to vote for Brexit in the first place. You just thought you knew better.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 17:44:39 GMT
You know what, I wish I could have sabotaged it before it had happened rather than afterwards. But then you are not the brightest spark in the box or the most democratic being a little Hitler type. It's why they were hellbent against a referendum. These people support absolute power over people whilst denying the people a democratic government. The irony is that they actually believe they're the good guys.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 17:50:33 GMT
The Tories don't want Brexit and have impeded it every step of the way whilst telling us they weren't, they deserve to be chucked out into the wilderness next election. The Tories never told you to vote for Brexit in the first place. You just thought you knew better. Actually, many of us knew something like this would happen under this corrupt two-party system. We used to think it would be the neverendum, because the EU doesn't take no for an answer, so you can imagine my surprise when we mostly left nearly five years after the referendum. Obviously, shameless corruption, lies and sabotage is the poison of the day, which is fully backed by those who expect the people to vote for them.
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Post by jonksy on May 21, 2023 4:40:55 GMT
The Tories don't want Brexit and have impeded it every step of the way whilst telling us they weren't, they deserve to be chucked out into the wilderness next election. The Tories never told you to vote for Brexit in the first place. You just thought you knew better. Yes we did sunshine. And there were more of us who voted to leave than those who voted to stay. And we were not old farts who didn't know what we were voting for and NO we were not led by lies and bullshit. Like you remnants try to make out. It's called making the correct choice.
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Post by buccaneer on May 21, 2023 5:53:44 GMT
I think that the point is being deliberately missed here, the actual event of Brexit was not a mistake, the failure that Farage has spoken about refers to the Conservative Government failing to using the new Brexit opportunities to our benefit. We had that walking traitoress disaster Mrs May saying one thing and trying to stitch us up with the EU, then we had the bombastic buffoon Boris saying one thing and doing something else, the next PM was quickly and undemocratically dispatched by the Tory establishment and the current bloke shoe horned in place without any form of democratic action. That is the failure, not the decision to leave the EU, that was correct and in time will prove to be good for this country. The Tories don't want Brexit and have impeded it every step of the way whilst telling us they weren't, they deserve to be chucked out into the wilderness next election. You've got it. Yes. People forget Brexit is a means to an end. A doorway has opened and Britain now needs to choose its path. Brexit cannot fail - it's as simple as that - unless you consider sovereign nation states the world over failures because they are not co-governed by some bureaucrats who aren't co-cultural. The right to self-determination is the very essence of Brexit and taking control back from Brussels. Unfortunately, you have to remember Parliament and Whitehall have literally been conditioned by Brussels over four decades. A change in mindset won't happen overnight. The UK is in a transitional period of finding its own feet now it isn't reliant on Brussels ordering them about. I'm perfectly fine with this period. It's also pertinent to remember the UK was one of the worst hit G7 nations from the pandemic and the war in Ukraine has driven up inflation, like it has on the continent. Time and patience is needed. After all, the UK spent 40 years inside the EU and there was still no single market for financial services. Only the Germans, French and Italians got their main industries a leg-up by being part of the SM. Brexit is a work in progress and the confidence lacking in the nation is purely down to Brussels taking the reigns.
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Post by see2 on May 21, 2023 6:05:01 GMT
Except I know what I'm posting about, and you don't. But thanks for the reminder that I should continue to ignore most of your posts You should ignore me, because you don't have a clue about populism or that some of the brightest people on the planet are populists, you should stay in your own made up world. "Populism" is about people with big mouths and small brains, your posts are a very good example, proving my point.
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Post by sheepy on May 21, 2023 6:14:46 GMT
You should ignore me, because you don't have a clue about populism or that some of the brightest people on the planet are populists, you should stay in your own made up world. "Populism" is about people with big mouths and small brains, your posts are a very good example, proving my point. No need to be scared about making decisions for yourself rather than waiting for orders from the Westminster party. It only goes tits up when people like you repeat everything they say as though it is some king of truth, which it never has been.
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Post by sheepy on May 21, 2023 6:25:51 GMT
But then you are not the brightest spark in the box or the most democratic being a little Hitler type. It's why they were hellbent against a referendum. These people support absolute power over people whilst denying the people a democratic government. The irony is that they actually believe they're the good guys. Which doesn't take much working out for you B-4 it doesn't mean they take criticism well though as we can see, for ourselves, they become a force of little Hitlers.
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Post by buccaneer on May 21, 2023 6:36:00 GMT
You should ignore me, because you don't have a clue about populism or that some of the brightest people on the planet are populists, you should stay in your own made up world. "Populism" is about people with big mouths and small brains, your posts are a very good example, proving my point. By that definition you would be one of the better known populists on here considering the fact most of your posts lack any substance whatsoever and rather attack the messenger.
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Post by Pacifico on May 21, 2023 6:39:34 GMT
The Tories don't want Brexit and have impeded it every step of the way whilst telling us they weren't, they deserve to be chucked out into the wilderness next election. The Tories never told you to vote for Brexit in the first place. You just thought you knew better. I do. Did you really expect me to place that much weight on the views of clowns like Jeremy Hunt and Grant Shapps?
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Post by see2 on May 21, 2023 6:41:57 GMT
Yes. People forget Brexit is a means to an end. A doorway has opened and Britain now needs to choose its path. Brexit cannot fail - it's as simple as that - unless you consider sovereign nation states the world over failures because they are not co-governed by some bureaucrats who aren't co-cultural. The right to self-determination is the very essence of Brexit and taking control back from Brussels. Unfortunately, you have to remember Parliament and Whitehall have literally been conditioned by Brussels over four decades. A change in mindset won't happen overnight. The UK is in a transitional period of finding its own feet now it isn't reliant on Brussels ordering them about. I'm perfectly fine with this period. It's also pertinent to remember the UK was one of the worst hit G7 nations from the pandemic and the war in Ukraine has driven up inflation, like it has on the continent. Time and patience is needed. After all, the UK spent 40 years inside the EU and there was still no single market for financial services. Only the Germans, French and Italians got their main industries a leg-up by being part of the SM. Brexit is a work in progress and the confidence lacking in the nation is purely down to Brussels taking the reigns. The UK was failing before entering the Common Market (it is why we joined in the first place). It failed during the Common Market / EU period and is failing now. Yet some people have the need to blame others instead of ourselves for our own failures. Not unlike the Tory failure after getting on for 70% of domination of Parliament since 1951, who always insinuate that Labour are the cause of the countries failures. The UK has never been "reliant" upon or conditioned by Brussels that is just a 'blame everyone and everything else' for our own weaknesses and failures. The UK dominated EU Financial Services prior to Brexit, and Brexit is one of the reasons we have less involvement in EU financial Services today. That was a concern expressed by many before the referendum who wanted to remain, including myself. Yes, the pandemic and the invasion of the Ukraine has had a significant negative effect on the UK economy, but they are exacerbated by our underlying economic weakness prior to these events. We have plenty of room for improvements to be made over the next decade or two, but for me the only time the future will be rosy is when the fundamental 'Financial Greed at the Top' is reigned in a little, at present it plays a far too dominant roll in the economy. In short more should be spent in education, infrastructure and in sorting out the NHS.
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Post by see2 on May 21, 2023 6:44:30 GMT
"Populism" is about people with big mouths and small brains, your posts are a very good example, proving my point. No need to be scared about making decisions for yourself rather than waiting for orders from the Westminster party. It only goes tits up when people like you repeat everything they say as though it is some king of truth, which it never has been. If you are referring to referendums, they place control into the hands of the easily led and the ill informed. It is a nonsense position.
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