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Post by Einhorn on May 28, 2023 10:52:19 GMT
I don't see how that is a counter-argument. As long as watchdog bodies exist, there will continue to be access to the truth. Some people will avoid those platforms, preferring to have their biases confirmed. But, there is no reason to believe that there will be fewer watchdog bodies in the future. In fact, someone could just as easily conjecture that there will be more. I used your attitudes as an illustration of why there may well be a problem. Because society is a big argument with millions of people being influenced by millions of others, you currently don't really have the power to categorise your opinions as the single best received view because you 'removed the adjectives'. This is a good thing I'm not entirely clear about what you mean. Your point might be perfectly clear, but I'm not getting it. Could you elaborate?
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Post by Montegriffo on May 28, 2023 10:58:05 GMT
You can't even point out the fact that the trolls are using multiple accounts.
Well, it's a banning offense, so it makes sense. Members are free to make such claims to the mods via a report and if we find evidence we will take action. What we don't want is unprovable allegations flying back and forth or such claims being used as a debate tactic to imply that there are fewer proponents of a particular point of view than there actually are.
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Post by sheepy on May 28, 2023 11:34:57 GMT
I used your attitudes as an illustration of why there may well be a problem. Because society is a big argument with millions of people being influenced by millions of others, you currently don't really have the power to categorise your opinions as the single best received view because you 'removed the adjectives'. This is a good thing I'm not entirely clear about what you mean. Your point might be perfectly clear, but I'm not getting it. Could you elaborate? The point of constantly repeating yourself for what end?
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Post by Einhorn on May 28, 2023 11:38:18 GMT
I'm not entirely clear about what you mean. Your point might be perfectly clear, but I'm not getting it. Could you elaborate? The point of constantly repeating yourself for what end? Clarity, in this case. And don't suppose we're on the same intellectual plane as you, Sheeps. Your posts have an intellectual grandeur and depth the rest of us can only dream of. Dumb your posts down a bit, for our sakes.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 28, 2023 11:49:46 GMT
What happens when you are so reliant on AI there will be no other option? Then you become completely dependent on something entirely opaque to you. Something perhaps no human really understands or could. Henceforth people may have no real understanding of what makes their society function or why things are happening. This may mean the end of politics as we know it. I submit that to some limited extent this is already happening in the social effects of 'the algorithm'. If you don't like society being increasingly run by various sorting procedures, you are going to hate AI because it is likely going to be the same thing on atomic steroids. Doing a 'search' wont just tell you what news to believe, it will tell you who to employ and how much to offer them. You might like to look at the latest stats on who has internet in Britain. They were flapping about it on the BBC the other day saying it was shocking that millions don't and I think they said the numbers may even be going down. The BBC seemed to think it was a lifeline and how deprived they were, but a little thought says it really is losing its value. Most searches now find themselves outputting endless American crap, like billions of pages written about Ukraine and other evil shit our dictators are doing. Get rid of the feed and you find your mental state improves. Many may think, what the hell am I doing paying to be lied at. Why the BBC are so worried is because their propaganda tool might become less effective, like millions sticking two fingers up at the bitches.
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Post by patman post on May 28, 2023 13:49:57 GMT
Then you become completely dependent on something entirely opaque to you. Something perhaps no human really understands or could. Henceforth people may have no real understanding of what makes their society function or why things are happening. This may mean the end of politics as we know it. I submit that to some limited extent this is already happening in the social effects of 'the algorithm'. If you don't like society being increasingly run by various sorting procedures, you are going to hate AI because it is likely going to be the same thing on atomic steroids. Doing a 'search' wont just tell you what news to believe, it will tell you who to employ and how much to offer them. You might like to look at the latest stats on who has internet in Britain. They were flapping about it on the BBC the other day saying it was shocking that millions don't and I think they said the numbers may even be going down. The BBC seemed to think it was a lifeline and how deprived they were, but a little thought says it really is losing its value. Most searches now find themselves outputting endless American crap, like billions of pages written about Ukraine and other evil shit our dictators are doing. Get rid of the feed and you find your mental state improves. Many may think, what the hell am I doing paying to be lied at. Why the BBC are so worried is because their propaganda tool might become less effective, like millions sticking two fingers up at the bitches. Alas, it looks like some of us are unable to employ or display Any Intelligence...
(I guess a "same to you with knobs on" reply may emerge sometime)
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 28, 2023 13:55:57 GMT
You might like to look at the latest stats on who has internet in Britain. They were flapping about it on the BBC the other day saying it was shocking that millions don't and I think they said the numbers may even be going down. The BBC seemed to think it was a lifeline and how deprived they were, but a little thought says it really is losing its value. Most searches now find themselves outputting endless American crap, like billions of pages written about Ukraine and other evil shit our dictators are doing. Get rid of the feed and you find your mental state improves. Many may think, what the hell am I doing paying to be lied at. Why the BBC are so worried is because their propaganda tool might become less effective, like millions sticking two fingers up at the bitches. Alas, it looks like some of us are unable to employ or display Any Intelligence...
(I guess a "same to you with knobs on" reply may emerge sometime)
Your perception is untrustworthy.
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Post by bancroft on May 28, 2023 14:05:39 GMT
Anyone used those corporates launched a few years back, you say the name you want and then it goes and calls that name from the global corporate phonebook.
Only it never worked and before you knew it instead of getting Joan from Accounts you were calling John Sympson VP of Capital Markets in Sydney. It only lasted a year.
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Post by patman post on May 28, 2023 14:56:22 GMT
Anyone used those corporates launched a few years back, you say the name you want and then it goes and calls that name from the global corporate phonebook. Only it never worked and before you knew it instead of getting Joan from Accounts you were calling John Sympson VP of Capital Markets in Sydney. It only lasted a year. Handsfree in the wife's car does that for her contacts. Not 100% foolproof, but it works often enough to be useful.
Enlarging the system so that it connects a caller with contacts on their one phone to cover an entire global phone book would appear to be a massive task — but I don't doubt something like it will happen one day.
For AI, I don't see human involvement and interaction being completely obsolete.
Not quite on topic, but a simple illustration of human interactive response and technology functioning together:
Many years ago — way before I was born — a company called Terryphone had an internal office system that had a limited number of lines (possibly under 12) where a caller lifted the receiver, connected to a free line and spoke into the mouthpiece something like: "Josey Bancroft on Line 6, please".
The system had a low volume speaker instead of a ringer and, while all the names of people being called were broadcast around the office, it was so soft that people only noticed and reacted to their own names. The person called picked up the handset, pressed button six, and the conversation continued in private.
The system was developed from a behavioural study...
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Post by sheepy on May 29, 2023 6:59:13 GMT
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Post by Orac on May 29, 2023 7:05:16 GMT
Sheepy, that article nonsense designed to create an opinion that doesn't exist yet.
Only a tiny minority of workers have even seriously considered the issue
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Post by sheepy on May 29, 2023 8:08:01 GMT
Oh, I see, so our poll was rubbish then, which only involved a tiny minority, well what goes around comes around as the saying goes.
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Post by sheepy on May 30, 2023 20:44:33 GMT
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Post by sheepy on May 30, 2023 21:48:08 GMT
Well. I still reckon it has been a stroke of pure brilliance, the masters of the universe were all for AI while they thought they controlled it for their own personal gain, now it has suddenly dawned on them they are the ultimate goal for AI.
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Post by Einhorn on May 30, 2023 23:23:58 GMT
Well. I still reckon it has been a stroke of pure brilliance, the masters of the universe were all for AI while they thought they controlled it for their own personal gain, now it has suddenly dawned on them they are the ultimate goal for AI. If I was you, I'd settle for any kind of intelligence, Sheeps.
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