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Post by Red Rackham on May 29, 2023 7:48:59 GMT
I'm almost in tears of laughter, this is hilarious. see2, just for a moment stop waving your EU flag and have a shufty at sewage discharges in the EU, lol. My post was about sewage discharge in the UK. It wasn't difficult to follow. So you do not like the truth despite it being verified by the Conservative party (2015a) It is so good to see you expose your sad non-thinking bias, so easily recognised in your post and only to be expected from a Righty Outer. That sort of thinking probably played such a big part in your choice in 2016  Just for interest Europe’s cities are struggling to keep untreated sewage out of their rivers: www.euronews.com/green/2021/09/04/swimming-in-sewage-how-can-we-fix-europe-s-smelly-rivers |
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Post by see2 on May 29, 2023 8:28:17 GMT
My post was about sewage discharge in the UK. It wasn't difficult to follow. So you do not like the truth despite it being verified by the Conservative party (2015a) It is so good to see you expose your sad non-thinking bias, so easily recognised in your post and only to be expected from a Righty Outer. That sort of thinking probably played such a big part in your choice in 2016 Just for interest Europe’s cities are struggling to keep untreated sewage out of their rivers: www.euronews.com/green/2021/09/04/swimming-in-sewage-how-can-we-fix-europe-s-smelly-riversOK, so maybe the weather is more responsible for UK water pollution rather than the government, but that does not alter the fact that there was a big water clean up that took place in the UK after the EU Commission Directive on cleaning up water pollution in 2000. The weather has affected water pollution in EU countries, which is why there is now a build up of sensory systems, (see next sentence below) detecting pollution and helping to regain control of the problem. "Once successfully implemented, the temperature sensors will help eliminate sources of environmental pollution and Sofia comply with EU water quality regulations."Does the UK still recognise the Water quality regulations we built up based upon the EU 2000 directive? is probably the next question that needs to be answered. |
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Post by sheepy on May 29, 2023 8:29:34 GMT
OK, so maybe the weather is more responsible for UK water pollution rather than the government, but that does not alter the fact that there was a big water clean up that took place in the UK after the EU Commission Directive on cleaning up water pollution in 2000. The weather has affected water pollution in EU countries, which is why there is now a build up of sensory systems, (see next sentence below) detecting pollution and helping to regain control of the problem. "Once successfully implemented, the temperature sensors will help eliminate sources of environmental pollution and Sofia comply with EU water quality regulations."Does the UK still recognise the Water quality regulations we built up based upon the EU 2000 directive? is probably the next question that needs to be answered. But I don't give a flying feck about EU water regulations which obviously don't frigging work. |
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Post by dodgydave on May 29, 2023 15:59:13 GMT
2) Again you fixate on dividends, and ignore what is actually being invested. Shareholders bring investment and then you pay back that investment with dividends. What are you going to replace it with? Magic interest free loans? The dividends have averaged about 4% per year, you going to borrow money cheaper than that? lol. We invest more than we ever did under nationalisation, and we invest more than anybody else in Europe, but you want to ignore that and just quote dividends out of context. So if you find dividends so morally wrong, I take it you don't have a pension because that would be hypocritical as they are funded by stock market investments. Shareholders do not put money in to invest. They put it in to get a return. They care not if that money comes from investment and improvement or from ripping off the customers. In this case their money was not invested, it was wasted and the water bills were raised to bring in the extra money. And still nothing was done other than using it to pay fat salaries and dividends to the investors. That is literally the dumbest reply I have ever read. The entire purpose of shares is to put investment into a company, on the understanding that if it does well you will receive a dividend and the value of your shares will go up lol. If it was still public and government borrowed money, do they think the people they get it off are concerned about our water quality, or do they want (shock horror) to make a profit lol. The water companies have invested close to £200b, and yet you claim "nothing was done". There are plenty of things you can legitimately critisise the water companies about, but you have done zero research into the subject and are just parroting some headlines you read somewhere. |
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Post by dodgydave on May 29, 2023 16:01:33 GMT
OK, so maybe the weather is more responsible for UK water pollution rather than the government, but that does not alter the fact that there was a big water clean up that took place in the UK after the EU Commission Directive on cleaning up water pollution in 2000. The weather has affected water pollution in EU countries, which is why there is now a build up of sensory systems, (see next sentence below) detecting pollution and helping to regain control of the problem. "Once successfully implemented, the temperature sensors will help eliminate sources of environmental pollution and Sofia comply with EU water quality regulations."Does the UK still recognise the Water quality regulations we built up based upon the EU 2000 directive? is probably the next question that needs to be answered. Well the UK invests more than anybody else in Europe... so I'm guessing they did what we do... use longer pipes so that the shit is dumped further out to sea and not directly onto the beach lol. |
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Post by zanygame on May 29, 2023 17:32:40 GMT
My post was about sewage discharge in the UK. It wasn't difficult to follow. So you do not like the truth despite it being verified by the Conservative party (2015a) It is so good to see you expose your sad non-thinking bias, so easily recognised in your post and only to be expected from a Righty Outer. That sort of thinking probably played such a big part in your choice in 2016 Just for interest Europe’s cities are struggling to keep untreated sewage out of their rivers: www.euronews.com/green/2021/09/04/swimming-in-sewage-how-can-we-fix-europe-s-smelly-riversNot just us then. Thanks Red. |
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Post by zanygame on May 29, 2023 17:34:31 GMT
Interesting aside.
The sewage pollution is caused by climate change, another cost of doing nothing.
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2023 21:39:10 GMT
Interesting aside. The sewage pollution is caused by climate change, another cost of doing nothing. I think you will find you are wrong there...  |
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Post by zanygame on May 30, 2023 5:57:00 GMT
Interesting aside. The sewage pollution is caused by climate change, another cost of doing nothing. I think you will find you are wrong there... Not according to Red's article. In Europe (inc UK) we now have more torrential downpours, less steady rain. This is because a warmer atmosphere can hold more water. |
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Post by dodgydave on May 31, 2023 0:16:28 GMT
I think you will find you are wrong there... Not according to Red's article. In Europe (inc UK) we now have more torrential downpours, less steady rain. This is because a warmer atmosphere can hold more water. That is true if you ignore the 4.5 billion years before 1880 lol. 9,100 of the last 10,500 years have been (considerably) warmer than today... because we are still coming out of an ice age. There is more sewage leaks because shock horror, there is more people, and more concrete, and politically nobody gives a fuck about sewage until they get a turd in their mouth swimming in the sea. That's before we talk about rivers that no longer get dredged (because we don't use boats on them anymore), building on flood plains, draining wetlands etc... but yeah in general sewage is very low priority compared to health, education, law and order, social security, defense etc so most countries are using old sewage systems. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 31, 2023 0:36:24 GMT
Not according to Red's article. In Europe (inc UK) we now have more torrential downpours, less steady rain. This is because a warmer atmosphere can hold more water. 9,100 of the last 10,500 years have been (considerably) warmer than today... because we are still coming out of an ice age. There is more sewage leaks because shock horror, there is more people, and more concrete, and politically nobody gives a fuck about sewage until they get a turd in their mouth swimming in the sea. That's before we talk about rivers that no longer get dredged (because we don't use boats on them anymore), building on flood plains, draining wetlands etc... but yeah in general sewage is very low priority compared to health, education, law and order, social security, defense etc so most countries are using old sewage systems. And that dodgydave is the very point. Environmentalists always choose their start date with care. |
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Post by wapentake on May 31, 2023 0:38:04 GMT
Not according to Red's article. In Europe (inc UK) we now have more torrential downpours, less steady rain. This is because a warmer atmosphere can hold more water. That is true if you ignore the 4.5 billion years before 1880 lol. 9,100 of the last 10,500 years have been (considerably) warmer than today... because we are still coming out of an ice age.
There is more sewage leaks because shock horror, there is more people, and more concrete, and politically nobody gives a fuck about sewage until they get a turd in their mouth swimming in the sea. That's before we talk about rivers that no longer get dredged (because we don't use boats on them anymore), building on flood plains, draining wetlands etc... but yeah in general sewage is very low priority compared to health, education, law and order, social security, defense etc so most countries are using old sewage systems. Which means Scotland is rising and London sinking and why a shedload of money was spent on flood barriers probably won’t work for that long either. I’d have let it sink,anyway are you an American? |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 31, 2023 1:26:47 GMT
That is true if you ignore the 4.5 billion years before 1880 lol.9,100 of the last 10,500 years have been (considerably) warmer than today... because we are still coming out of an ice age. There is more sewage leaks because shock horror, there is more people, and more concrete, and politically nobody gives a fuck about sewage until they get a turd in their mouth swimming in the sea. That's before we talk about rivers that no longer get dredged (because we don't use boats on them anymore), building on flood plains, draining wetlands etc... but yeah in general sewage is very low priority compared to health, education, law and order, social security, defense etc so most countries are using old sewage systems. And that dodgydave is the very point. Environmentalists always choose their start date with care. |
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Post by zanygame on May 31, 2023 6:29:05 GMT
Not according to Red's article. In Europe (inc UK) we now have more torrential downpours, less steady rain. This is because a warmer atmosphere can hold more water. Why would I need to include the last 4.5 billion years? We know what's causing current climate change, its man made Co2 in the atmosphere. We also know what caused most of the previous events and it wasn't man made Co2 in the atmosphere. Be interested to know how coming out of an ice age made the world warmer than today? Do you perhaps mean an ice age ended because we entered a different phase of the milankovitch cycle, do you think scientists don't know about milankovitch cycles? More people paying tax Look over there an aardvark. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jun 1, 2023 13:21:07 GMT
Why would I need to include the last 4.5 billion years? We know what's causing current climate change, its man made Co2 in the atmosphere. We also know what caused most of the previous events and it wasn't man made Co2 in the atmosphere. Be interested to know how coming out of an ice age made the world warmer than today? Do you perhaps mean an ice age ended because we entered a different phase of the milankovitch cycle, do you think scientists don't know about milankovitch cycles? More people paying tax Look over there an aardvark. I hate to break it you, but most of our sewers were built before 1950 (accepted date from which we started to cause some of the current warming), and for large periods of their existence is was warmer than it is now. It is just a bollocks reason to pretend it is an unfixable problem. This is the problem, decades upon decades of under investment during nationalisation... because sewers are right at the bottom of the priority list for government spending. |
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