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Post by Red Rackham on May 16, 2023 20:59:27 GMT
sandypine >> So to be clear you are saying that the increase in population of some 15% in as many years, mostly down to immigration, has absolutely nothing to do with anything else and will not affect health care, education, housing, transport, social services, jobs etc. Freedom of movement was signed by a Tory government where all member states were of a similar economic level, it was NewLabour who saw an opportunity to boost the economy by allowing in cheaper foreign labour en masse whilst messing all over those who were supposed to be their core support. Everything has a price. -----------------------------------------------------------------------The current population of the UK is 68 million, an increase of approximately 5 million since the previous census in 2011, an increase of less than 10%. The UK population also went up sharply between 2001 and 2011, by approximately 4 million Both of these rises can MOSTLY be attributed to the EU10 joining the European Union, plus Bulgaria and Romania joining in 2007. The population of the UK has always gone up between census's, mostly between 1 and 4 million The average Eastern European who arrived in the UK through Freedom Of Movement, are young, healthy, they work, and they pay both direct and indirect taxes. I repeat that the appaling state of our NHS and other public services has got nothing to do with immigrants, but has everything to do with cuts to public services ( which you seem to be in denial about ) and underfunding.
UK population today is almost 69 million, which is c10 million more than it was in 2004 when Blair, who had one eye on becoming president of the EU, opened the EU floodgates. England has been the most densely populated country in Europe since 2007 which is why our social infrastructure including the NHS is at breaking point. When in your opinion, is enough, enough? |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 21:24:42 GMT
Red Rackham >> UK population today is almost 69 million, which is c10 million more than it was in 2004 when Blair, who had one eye on becoming president of the EU, opened the EU floodgates. England has been the most densely populated country in Europe since 2007 which is why our social infrastructure including the NHS is at breaking point. When in your opinion, is enough, enough?
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The most densly populated country in Europe is The Netherlands
Blair did not open the floodgates to EU migrants, that was done by John Majors government who agreed to, and signed The Maastricht Treaty which included the terms of Freedom Of Movement.
population growth has not led to the appaling state of our NHS and other public services, cuts to funding and lack of investment has caused the mess that our public services are now in.
Why do you people deny the blatantly obvious ?, why do you try to blame migrant workers instead of accepting that Tory cuts and Tory underfunding is the real problem.
How the hell can an influx of thousands of mostly young, mostly healthy migrant workers, who come here to work, most of whom pay direct and indirect taxes, cripple our NHS and other public services. ?
Many EU migrants have gone home now, and no more will be arriving, hence the labour shortages, and so according to you, the NHS must now be on the road to recovery.
The only time the NHS will be repaired and fixed, is when this government have gone in approximately 18 months time
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Post by Pacifico on May 16, 2023 21:27:33 GMT
Many EU migrants have gone home now, and no more will be arriving, hence the labour shortages, and so according to you, the NHS must now be on the road to recovery. cut out the racism - african and asian migrants are just as capable of working as europeans. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 21:34:36 GMT
The question is WHY have the Conservatives starved ALL public services of investment and funding for 13 years, so much so that they are now in a terrible state. ? Starved of investment takes on a whole new meaning when public spending is higher under the Tories than it ever was under New Labour..   There s an old saying, attributed to Benjamin Disraeli "Lies, damned lies and statistics", and you are guilty of telling a lie using statistics. EVERY public service, from education to the NHS, from the police to local councils saw reductions in funding, in both monetary terms and in real terms. There was actually a tiny increase in NHS spending, but in Real Terms it amounted to a cut. If you resort to debating by simply telling lies, then whats the point in debating. ? |
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Post by borchester on May 16, 2023 21:34:49 GMT
immigration up. Living standards down. Pay down. Life expectancy down. Food banks up. NHS waiting lists up. Child poverty up. Homelessness up. Rents up. Mortgages up. Taxes up. Social care availability down. Racism up. Social services down. School funding down. NHS funding down. Food prices up. Petrol prices up. Millionaires up. Houses down. Pot holes up. Pubs down. Cost of living up. Social housing down. Scams up. Jails down. Rail on strike. Nurses on strike. Doctors on strike. Lawyers on strike. Teachers on strike. Libraries down. Fraud up. Prison sentence down. Air quality down. Green initiatives down. Effluent in rivers up. Culture wars up. Crime up. Unsolved crimes up. Mental issues up. Hate crimes up. Street trash up. Union sentiment down. Border checks down. Small boats up. Gerrymandering up. Hate speech up. Hospital waiting lists up. Asylum seekers processing time up. Spending on asylum seekers up. Citizen freedom down. Exports down. Sleaze up. Working people claiming benefits up. Useless PPE stocks up. Cost to store useless PPE up. I have probably missed a load off. Common denominator? Dunno, but I am doing ok. I am sorry that Red can't arrange his affairs better but I can't live his life for him. That is the job of the Labour party |
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Post by Pacifico on May 16, 2023 21:47:35 GMT
If you resort to debating by simply telling lies, then whats the point in debating. ? how is posting actual public spending data 'lies' when it refutes your rhetoric? for example.. in what year was there a real terms spending cut?  |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 16, 2023 21:58:36 GMT
Red Rackham >> UK population today is almost 69 million, which is c10 million more than it was in 2004 when Blair, who had one eye on becoming president of the EU, opened the EU floodgates. England has been the most densely populated country in Europe since 2007 which is why our social infrastructure including the NHS is at breaking point. When in your opinion, is enough, enough? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The most densly populated country in Europe is The Netherlands Blair did not open the floodgates to EU migrants, that was done by John Majors government who agreed to, and signed The Maastricht Treaty which included the terms of Freedom Of Movement. population growth has not led to the appaling state of our NHS and other public services, cuts to funding and lack of investment has caused the mess that our public services are now in. Why do you people deny the blatantly obvious ?, why do you try to blame migrant workers instead of accepting that Tory cuts and Tory underfunding is the real problem. How the hell can an influx of thousands of mostly young, mostly healthy migrant workers, who come here to work, most of whom pay direct and indirect taxes, cripple our NHS and other public services. ? Many EU migrants have gone home now, and no more will be arriving, hence the labour shortages, and so according to you, the NHS must now be on the road to recovery. The only time the NHS will be repaired and fixed, is when this government have gone in approximately 18 months time Incorrect on all counts, hands up anyone who's surprised. England is officially Europe's most densely packed major country - www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.htmlJohn 'The Bastard' Major did indeed hand us to the EU without the consent of the people in 1992, however as you are probably aware, Blair opened the floodgates and blatantly lied about the numbers. Indeed, in 2009 Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, said that Blairs relaxation of immigration controls was a deliberate plan to ‘open the UK to mass migration’. The rest of your pro EU left wing post is, I'll be generous and say, left wing drivel. As I posted earlier, the top ten unemployment hotspots in the UK are all immigrant shit tips, or as you would call them, wonderfully multicultural havens of diversity. And it would seem, benefits. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 23:14:35 GMT
Red Rackham >> UK population today is almost 69 million, which is c10 million more than it was in 2004 when Blair, who had one eye on becoming president of the EU, opened the EU floodgates. England has been the most densely populated country in Europe since 2007 which is why our social infrastructure including the NHS is at breaking point. When in your opinion, is enough, enough? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The most densly populated country in Europe is The Netherlands Blair did not open the floodgates to EU migrants, that was done by John Majors government who agreed to, and signed The Maastricht Treaty which included the terms of Freedom Of Movement. population growth has not led to the appaling state of our NHS and other public services, cuts to funding and lack of investment has caused the mess that our public services are now in. Why do you people deny the blatantly obvious ?, why do you try to blame migrant workers instead of accepting that Tory cuts and Tory underfunding is the real problem. How the hell can an influx of thousands of mostly young, mostly healthy migrant workers, who come here to work, most of whom pay direct and indirect taxes, cripple our NHS and other public services. ? Many EU migrants have gone home now, and no more will be arriving, hence the labour shortages, and so according to you, the NHS must now be on the road to recovery. The only time the NHS will be repaired and fixed, is when this government have gone in approximately 18 months time Incorrect on all counts, hands up anyone who's surprised. England is officially Europe's most densely packed major country - www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.htmlJohn 'The Bastard' Major did indeed hand us to the EU without the consent of the people in 1992, however as you are probably aware, Blair opened the floodgates and blatantly lied about the numbers. Indeed, in 2009 Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, said that Blairs relaxation of immigration controls was a deliberate plan to ‘open the UK to mass migration’. The rest of your pro EU left wing post is, I'll be generous and say, left wing drivel. As I posted earlier, the top ten unemployment hotspots in the UK are all immigrant shit tips, or as you would call them, wonderfully multicultural havens of diversity. And it would seem, benefits. ADVICE - Never use the Daily Mail as a source of truth According to the United Nations, ( 2021 ) the population density of The Netherlands is 1,346 persons per square mile. The population density of the United Kingdom is 715 per square mile |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 16, 2023 23:26:42 GMT
Incorrect on all counts, hands up anyone who's surprised. England is officially Europe's most densely packed major country - www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.htmlJohn 'The Bastard' Major did indeed hand us to the EU without the consent of the people in 1992, however as you are probably aware, Blair opened the floodgates and blatantly lied about the numbers. Indeed, in 2009 Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, said that Blairs relaxation of immigration controls was a deliberate plan to ‘open the UK to mass migration’. The rest of your pro EU left wing post is, I'll be generous and say, left wing drivel. As I posted earlier, the top ten unemployment hotspots in the UK are all immigrant shit tips, or as you would call them, wonderfully multicultural havens of diversity. And it would seem, benefits. ADVICE - Never use the Daily Mail as a source of truth According to the United Nations, ( 2021 ) the population density of The Netherlands is 1,346 persons per square mile. The population density of the United Kingdom is 715 per square mile We're not talking about the United Kingdom. We were talking about 'England', where 90% of the UK population live and since 2007 thanks to the EU and mass immigration has been the most densely populated country in Europe. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 23:28:27 GMT
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Post by jonksy on May 16, 2023 23:40:00 GMT
What a total load of lefty BOLLOCKS. You use the same old lefty bullshit over and over again so many times that you have started to beleive your OWN lies. |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 17, 2023 0:29:32 GMT
immigration up. Living standards down. Pay down. Life expectancy down. Food banks up. NHS waiting lists up. Child poverty up. Homelessness up. Rents up. Mortgages up. Taxes up. Social care availability down. Racism up. Social services down. School funding down. NHS funding down. Food prices up. Petrol prices up. Millionaires up. Houses down. Pot holes up. Pubs down. Cost of living up. Social housing down. Scams up. Jails down. Rail on strike. Nurses on strike. Doctors on strike. Lawyers on strike. Teachers on strike. Libraries down. Fraud up. Prison sentence down. Air quality down. Green initiatives down. Effluent in rivers up. Culture wars up. Crime up. Unsolved crimes up. Mental issues up. Hate crimes up. Street trash up. Union sentiment down. Border checks down. Small boats up. Gerrymandering up. Hate speech up. Hospital waiting lists up. Asylum seekers processing time up. Spending on asylum seekers up. Citizen freedom down. Exports down. Sleaze up. Working people claiming benefits up. Useless PPE stocks up. Cost to store useless PPE up. I have probably missed a load off. Common denominator? You missed the 20mph speed limit, the hospitals permanently in special measures and tbe ambulance targets scrapped because they could not mert them. And it’s not 13 years, it’s 26. Labour : Fucking up Wales since 1997 and no sign of it ending. |
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 5:58:33 GMT
immigration up. ... I have probably missed a load off. Common denominator? Your list neglects to mention the most obvious and important factor which has negatively affected the points you raise, namely immigration illegal or otherwise. Nothing in this countries long history has had such a long term adverse effect on this country. The continued flood of immigrants from the EU started under Blair and continues to this day. Thanks to the EU and pro EU politicians millions of illegals/immigrants have entered this country in recent years, this was always going to have detrimental effect on the points you raise. You ask for the common denominator, thats easy. The reason the points you raise are serious concerns across Europe, is the EU's insane plan of forced mass immigration. Or the LIES started by Farage where asylum seekers were insinuated as FOM from the EU. Or the lies that millions of illegal immigrants enter this country thanks to the EU and pro EU politicians. Clean your fucking act up for goodness sake. |
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 6:08:31 GMT
The question is WHY have the Conservatives starved ALL public services of investment and funding for 13 years, so much so that they are now in a terrible state. ? Starved of investment takes on a whole new meaning when public spending is higher under the Tories than it ever was under New Labour.. Where did you get your so called information from ^^^ ? More figures that insinuate another lie. Budget 2010: George Osborne today announced the deepest cuts ever seen in the public sector by ordering nearly all government departments to slash an average of 25% from their annual budgets before the next general election and announcing a two-year pay freeze for all public sector employees. www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/2010-budget-public-sector-cuts |
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Post by sheepy on May 17, 2023 6:11:08 GMT
ADVICE - Never use the Daily Mail as a source of truth According to the United Nations, ( 2021 ) the population density of The Netherlands is 1,346 persons per square mile. The population density of the United Kingdom is 715 per square mile We're not talking about the United Kingdom. We were talking about 'England', where 90% of the UK population live and since 2007 thanks to the EU and mass immigration has been the most densely populated country in Europe. And as Thomas is always telling us has the worst public services. |
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