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Post by Toreador on May 16, 2023 9:46:54 GMT
The UK left the EUSSR because Britain was losing it's own idenity of being a sovereign nation which was being eroded by the EUSSR. And now this total prick starmer is atempting to give our sovereignty away just so he can stay relevant and remain in power. The bloke is a total deluded self serving arsehole like all of those on the loony left. The Germans were no lees German, the French were no less French, and the UKSSR was no less British for it membership of the EU. The French where I lived in rural France were overwhelmingly opposed to the EU and the euro. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 16, 2023 9:54:02 GMT
It just goes to show and confirm just how much a Europhile Starmer is, to think when we were actually EU members we never went to down the route of allowing EU nationals to vote in UK elections, so Starmer would actually be taking us further in to the EU than we were when we were members.
The man is totally obsessed with the EU, and so was Sturgeon, and we all know her fate, if Starmer carries on with this obsession he's going to throw away any chances of becoming Prime Minister, with the help of Ed Davey these pair of Europhiles will be the finish of the UK, they are a pair of dangerous individuals with hidden agendas, that will not be to the benefit to the ordinary hard working people of the UK.
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Post by bancroft on May 16, 2023 12:03:58 GMT
!6-17 should not have the right to vote as they are not treated as full adults in criminal law nor the military precisely as they are not seen as adults. If a settled EU citizens here wants the vote let them first get UK citizenship in NZ for example you have to give up your foreign passport. Anyone old enough to legally have sex and make babies, to leave home, and to work and pay their taxes, and no longer legally entitled to continued parental care, and indeed can be on the road with motorised vehicles and trusted to be trained to use arms, and who is of an age to be able to think rationally, as most people can at 16, why deny them a vote? It is actually blatantly obvious most of the time that the main reason for opposition to the idea is not a principled one at all but dislike of the way they think they might vote, which itself is arrogantly assumed to be evidence of their stupidity. Well I have news. The amount of older people who vote Tory strikes me as evidence of the greater stupidity of older people. Should I take a leaf out of your books and start calling for you to be denied the vote? I put it to you that how someone is likely to vote shouldnt matter to the argument about whether it is right for them to be able to do so or not. Yet when they get old and on meds or in a home do you still they vote? |
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Post by Bentley on May 16, 2023 13:14:00 GMT
I’ve got to say that I definitely agree that you are as knowledgeable and mature as a typical 16 year old . Well spotted . That says very little for you then because I am clearly more knowledgeable and mature than you are, judging by your contributions here thus far. At one point you were even struggling to understand a detailed response with big words in it, lol. Calling it "waffle" because you lacked either the attention span or intelligence to understand it. The average 16 year old is more intelligent than anything you are evidencing by your risible efforts here today. You are funny sometimes though, lol. 😂 Mr Angry thinks his waffle is ‘ detailed response ‘. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 16, 2023 13:20:36 GMT
That Mr Angry thinks himself more knowledgeable and mature than anyone else is a laugh in its own right.
He's just an embittered old lefty with a deep hatred of anyone whose views differ, however minutely, from his own extremist mindset.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 16, 2023 14:18:27 GMT
Given the backlash over his EU appeasing voting policy, I wouldn't be surprised if Starmer pulls yet another U turn out of the bag. Its quite comical when the possibility of a New Labour style of opposition poses the possibility of a New Labour style of government, there is an explosion of insinuated lies, denigration and allegations thrown at it. But there's nothing new about Starmers pro EU proposals. Labour opened the floodgates under Blair and Starmer makes no secret of the fact that a future Labour government would continue to promote a pro EU pro migrant agenda. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 20:58:06 GMT
That is nonsense. I want them to have the right to vote because they are as capable of thinking rationally as you or I and have a bigger stake than either of us in the future. Nowhere have I equated that with being left wing. Your assumption betrays what is obvious to me. Your real reason for not wanting to give them the vote is your fear that they might be left wing. You literally said people vote for idiots, which is just your biased opinion of the politicans people voted for. Hence you think 16-18 will vote "the right way". Now I'm guessing the "right way" is people on the left. Unless you are going to seriously tell me that you think people that voted for a Labour MP were voting for "idiots" hahaha. I dont actually care how 16 and 17 year olds vote. I just think they should have the right. You seem to be obsessed with fears of how they might vote. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 21:00:34 GMT
Anyone old enough to legally have sex and make babies, to leave home, and to work and pay their taxes, and no longer legally entitled to continued parental care, and indeed can be on the road with motorised vehicles and trusted to be trained to use arms, and who is of an age to be able to think rationally, as most people can at 16, why deny them a vote? It is actually blatantly obvious most of the time that the main reason for opposition to the idea is not a principled one at all but dislike of the way they think they might vote, which itself is arrogantly assumed to be evidence of their stupidity. Well I have news. The amount of older people who vote Tory strikes me as evidence of the greater stupidity of older people. Should I take a leaf out of your books and start calling for you to be denied the vote? I put it to you that how someone is likely to vote shouldnt matter to the argument about whether it is right for them to be able to do so or not. Yet when they get old and on meds or in a home do you still they vote? Why not? I believe in enfranchising people, not disenfranchising them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 21:01:35 GMT
That says very little for you then because I am clearly more knowledgeable and mature than you are, judging by your contributions here thus far. At one point you were even struggling to understand a detailed response with big words in it, lol. Calling it "waffle" because you lacked either the attention span or intelligence to understand it. The average 16 year old is more intelligent than anything you are evidencing by your risible efforts here today. You are funny sometimes though, lol. 😂 Mr Angry thinks his waffle is ‘ detailed response ‘. Mr Stupid thinks my detailed response is waffle, lol |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 21:02:46 GMT
That Mr Angry thinks himself more knowledgeable and mature than anyone else is a laugh in its own right. He's just an embittered old lefty with a deep hatred of anyone whose views differ, however minutely, from his own extremist mindset. You spout more shit than a sewer outlet. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 16, 2023 21:11:00 GMT
You literally said people vote for idiots, which is just your biased opinion of the politicans people voted for. Hence you think 16-18 will vote "the right way". Now I'm guessing the "right way" is people on the left. Unless you are going to seriously tell me that you think people that voted for a Labour MP were voting for "idiots" hahaha. I dont actually care how 16 and 17 year olds vote. I just think they should have the right. You seem to be obsessed with fears of how they might vote. 16 and 17 year olds are children, I know that because I've had four and believe it or not, I used to be one. Why do you think 16 year olds are not 'legally' allowed to drink in pubs, get married, visit a betting shop, join the army? Rhetorical, it's because they're kids. Yet you think kids should have the right to choose the next government! Incredible. |
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Post by Bentley on May 16, 2023 21:43:11 GMT
😂 Mr Angry thinks his waffle is ‘ detailed response ‘. Mr Stupid thinks my detailed response is waffle, lol Mr Angry thinks his waffle is detailed response ( 2). |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 6:51:36 GMT
I dont actually care how 16 and 17 year olds vote. I just think they should have the right. You seem to be obsessed with fears of how they might vote. 16 and 17 year olds are children, I know that because I've had four and believe it or not, I used to be one. Why do you think 16 year olds are not 'legally' allowed to drink in pubs, get married, visit a betting shop, join the army? Rhetorical, it's because they're kids. Yet you think kids should have the right to choose the next government! Incredible. They would not single handedly be choosing the next government. They'd be greatly outnumbered by you pensioners for one thing. But yes I think they should have a say. It is after all their futures being decided more than anyone's. And of course I used to ne 16 and 17 once myself many moons ago. And the world around me was already affecting me and I was already working and paying my taxes. I was definitely very politically aware by the time I was 17 yet was denied a vote in 1983 simply because the election was called for 2 weeks before my 18th birthday.. That seriously rankled at the time. Yet had I and my fellow 16 and 17 year olds had a vote, we would have changed the result hardly anywhere. So wtf are you afraid of? We trust that age group with far more serious activities than merely putting an x in a box. We train some of them how to use arms. We allow them to ride motorbikes and drive cars. We allow them to leave home and live on their own if they can afford to. We allow them to work and collect taxes from them if they earn enough. We allow them to legally indulge in baby-making activities and become parents. So yes I think they should be trusted with the right to vote. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 6:53:30 GMT
Mr Stupid thinks my detailed response is waffle, lol Mr Angry thinks his waffle is detailed response ( 2). Mr Stupid thinks that repeating the same thing over and over again makes him look intelligent. Which is funny really because it is how 6 year olds debate, lol |
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Post by see2 on May 17, 2023 7:01:45 GMT
That Mr Angry thinks himself more knowledgeable and mature than anyone else is a laugh in its own right. He's just an embittered old lefty with a deep hatred of anyone whose views differ, however minutely, from his own extremist mindset. That comment is in itself very extremist, exposing your own extremism. |
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