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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 23:17:23 GMT
A person who is a UK resident, but not a British citizen has the right to vote in UK general elections if they are a citizen of FIFTY SIX nations belonging to The Commonwealth.
So explain in your own words why a person from the EU, who has chosen the UK as a home, and who lives and works here, should not have the same right. ?
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Post by Vinny on May 15, 2023 23:33:48 GMT
Rational? A few of my friends ended up pregnant at 16.
And one of my friends got stupidly hooked on heroin.
Leave the voting age as is.
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Post by Vinny on May 15, 2023 23:35:22 GMT
A person who is a UK resident, but not a British citizen has the right to vote in UK general elections if they are a citizen of FIFTY SIX nations belonging to The Commonwealth. So explain in your own words why a person from the EU, who has chosen the UK as a home, and who lives and works here, should not have the same right. ? All they have to do is become a citizen of our country and they can. |
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Post by dodgydave on May 16, 2023 0:01:14 GMT
Yet they are literally treated differently by the criminal justice system because it is widely acknowledged that their thinking is not fully developed. Those idiots in charge in Scotland let rapists under 25 avoid prison because they have "underdeveloped brains", yet they allow them to vote and self-identify their sex lol.
Come on, you admit it yourself in the last part of your response. You want them to vote because you are sure that most of them will vote "sensibly" (ie left wing).That is nonsense. I want them to have the right to vote because they are as capable of thinking rationally as you or I and have a bigger stake than either of us in the future. Nowhere have I equated that with being left wing. Your assumption betrays what is obvious to me. Your real reason for not wanting to give them the vote is your fear that they might be left wing. You literally said people vote for idiots, which is just your biased opinion of the politicans people voted for. Hence you think 16-18 will vote "the right way". Now I'm guessing the "right way" is people on the left. Unless you are going to seriously tell me that you think people that voted for a Labour MP were voting for "idiots" hahaha. |
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Post by jonksy on May 16, 2023 4:36:08 GMT
That is nonsense. I want them to have the right to vote because they are as capable of thinking rationally as you or I and have a bigger stake than either of us in the future. Nowhere have I equated that with being left wing. Your assumption betrays what is obvious to me. Your real reason for not wanting to give them the vote is your fear that they might be left wing. You literally said people vote for idiots, which is just your biased opinion of the politicans people voted for. Hence you think 16-18 will vote "the right way". Now I'm guessing the "right way" is people on the left. Unless you are going to seriously tell me that you think people that voted for a Labour MP were voting for "idiots" hahaha. The UK left the EUSSR because Britain was losing it's own idenity of being a sovereign nation which was being eroded by the EUSSR. And now this total prick starmer is atempting to give our sovereignty away just so he can stay relevant and remain in power. The bloke is a total deluded self serving arsehole like all of those on the loony left. |
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Post by thomas on May 16, 2023 5:57:45 GMT
A person who is a UK resident, but not a British citizen has the right to vote in UK general elections if they are a citizen of FIFTY SIX nations belonging to The Commonwealth. So explain in your own words why a person from the EU, who has chosen the UK as a home, and who lives and works here, should not have the same right. ? do you know what i laughed at yesterday sid?
I was reading a story about a jacob rees mogg interview , where he is alleged to have said the tory attempt to stitch up the english locals backfired over voter i.d.
apparently the voters it put off in the main were english tory voting penisoners. 
How we laughed.
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Post by sheepy on May 16, 2023 6:22:22 GMT
You literally said people vote for idiots, which is just your biased opinion of the politicans people voted for. Hence you think 16-18 will vote "the right way". Now I'm guessing the "right way" is people on the left. Unless you are going to seriously tell me that you think people that voted for a Labour MP were voting for "idiots" hahaha. The UK left the EUSSR because Britain was losing it's own idenity of being a sovereign nation which was being eroded by the EUSSR. And now this total prick starmer is atempting to give our sovereignty away just so he can stay relevant and remain in power. The bloke is a total deluded self serving arsehole like all of those on the loony left. Yeah but the Westminster party think that if we rejoin they will get the Scots Remainers onside which will stop the Scots independence voters in their tracks, it will please the Westminster party because they had no intention of leaving give them back control over the voters and back control over Scotland and all will be fine, except they also think they will have won over enough leavers to make it all OK. Because they have made such a pigs ear of Brexit. One of their usual strategies that rely on them having the control they think they have over every situation. |
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Post by thomas on May 16, 2023 6:29:03 GMT
The UK left the EUSSR because Britain was losing it's own idenity of being a sovereign nation which was being eroded by the EUSSR. And now this total prick starmer is atempting to give our sovereignty away just so he can stay relevant and remain in power. The bloke is a total deluded self serving arsehole like all of those on the loony left. Yeah but the Westminster party think that if we rejoin they will get the Scots Remainers onside which will stop the Scots independence voters in their tracks, it will please the Westminster party because they had no intention of leaving give them back control over the voters and back control over Scotland and all will be fine, except they also think they will have won over enough leavers to make it all OK. Because they have made such a pigs ear of Brexit. One of their usual strategies that rely on them having the control they think they have over every situation. I think it funny sheepwash. Westmisnter are that desperate to keep 5.5 miilion scottish that they are prepared to throw 15 million english under a bus to keep us. To be fair , they are also massively embarressed about northern ireland , and of course coming under pressure from the united states to get thier act together as the uk is a mess.
I dont need to tell you , of course cause you and i have long sung from the same hymn sheet ( apologies benny hill) regarding the westmisnter party , but isnt it funny its the tories once again who are shafting the english public over brexit?
Lets be fair here. Starmer and labour tried between 2016 - 2019 , but the tories own the shit show over the last four years. Their incompetence over stitching up their own voters regarding voter i.d , all the way back including wrecking the uk economy , failing to control immigration , failing to rip up eu law , etc.
never trust a fucking tory.
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Post by sheepy on May 16, 2023 6:37:23 GMT
Yeah but the Westminster party think that if we rejoin they will get the Scots Remainers onside which will stop the Scots independence voters in their tracks, it will please the Westminster party because they had no intention of leaving give them back control over the voters and back control over Scotland and all will be fine, except they also think they will have won over enough leavers to make it all OK. Because they have made such a pigs ear of Brexit. One of their usual strategies that rely on them having the control they think they have over every situation. I think it funny sheepwash. Westmisnter are that desperate to keep 5.5 miilion scottish that they are prepared to throw 15 million english under a bus to keep us. To be fair , they are also massively embarressed about northern ireland , and of course coming under pressure from the united states to get thier act together as the uk is a mess.
I dont need to tell you , of course cause you and i have long sung from the same hymn sheet regarding the westmisnter party , but isnt it funny its the tories once again who are shafting the english public over brexit?
Lets be fair here. Starmer and labour tried between 2016 - 2019 , but the tories own the shit show over the last four years. Their incompetence over stitching up their own voters regarding voter i.d , all the way back including wrecking the uk economy , failing to control immigration , failing to rip up eu law , etc.
never trust a fucking tory.
We are in the anything Starmer says stage of is pure brilliance when it is just pure nonsense, but hey ho, onwards and upwards. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 6:38:19 GMT
The argument, no taxation without a vote doesn't really hold water. When a 9 year old goes to a shop to buy sweets or crisps, they pay tax. Are we going to give them the vote. Also, is it right that a 16 year old has to have mummy present at a police interview, but can vote without mummy present? And a 16 year old can no longer marry. This idea will seriously screw up the "Age of majority" in the UK and the whole issue of who is an adult would need to be reviewed. Would you go into a shop and hand the shopkeeper £50 and tell him to give you whatever he wants for it? |
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Post by thomas on May 16, 2023 6:40:52 GMT
I think it funny sheepwash. Westmisnter are that desperate to keep 5.5 miilion scottish that they are prepared to throw 15 million english under a bus to keep us. To be fair , they are also massively embarressed about northern ireland , and of course coming under pressure from the united states to get thier act together as the uk is a mess.
I dont need to tell you , of course cause you and i have long sung from the same hymn sheet regarding the westmisnter party , but isnt it funny its the tories once again who are shafting the english public over brexit?
Lets be fair here. Starmer and labour tried between 2016 - 2019 , but the tories own the shit show over the last four years. Their incompetence over stitching up their own voters regarding voter i.d , all the way back including wrecking the uk economy , failing to control immigration , failing to rip up eu law , etc.
never trust a fucking tory.
We are in the anything Starmer says stage of is pure brilliance when it is just pure nonsense, but hey ho, onwards and upwards. not really sheepwash. We are at the stage the enitre uk is fucking sick to death of these tory barstewards and the mess they have made that starmer can say what he likes , he is about to fall into place as the next prime minister , for good or ill.
Thats the down side of the two party stitch up. You dont have to be good at politics , only look marginally less worse than your opposite number in a two horse race.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 6:43:21 GMT
Rational? A few of my friends ended up pregnant at 16. And one of my friends got stupidly hooked on heroin. Leave the voting age as is. Your point is not well made " A few of my friends ended up pregnant at 16". A lot of people of who are not 16 do ridiculous things as well, so that is not really an argument. Women of all ages are 'tricked' into getting pregnant by unscrupulous men who prey on their sensibilities, should all women not be allowed to vote. Age is not a barrier, indeed, it may make some youngsters more mature in their outlook. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 16, 2023 6:45:30 GMT
And what I mean by British based media are media organs and outlets operating largely in the UK. British newspapers, TV like ITV. radio stations like LBC and so on whose customer base is largely in the UK. I don't care whether or not the owners live elsewhere. It is where their media operate that is what matters to me. And the Caymen Islands are a notorious tax haven. Nevertheless if the owners of the Guardian who are based there are British I would have no problem with it. If this causes difficulties for anyone I don't really care. The right to control opinion formers in this country should come with the rights of citizenship in my view. So under that criteria we would lose the Times, the Sun and the FT. I'm not sure that would make a whole load of difference to be honest. I'm not convinced there are a whole heap of rich foreigners queuing up to obtain UK citizenship so that they vote in UK elections. But if Citizenship is to mean anything then surely it is the right to participate in the selection of the UK Government - if you allow any dogsbody from around the globe to have a vote then what really is the point? |
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Post by sheepy on May 16, 2023 6:47:03 GMT
We are in the anything Starmer says stage of is pure brilliance when it is just pure nonsense, but hey ho, onwards and upwards. not really sheepwash. We are at the stage the enitre uk is fucking sick to death of these tory barstewards and the mess they have made that starmer can say what he likes , he is about to fall into place as the next prime minister , for good or ill.
Thats the down side of the two party stitch up. You dont have to be good at politics , only look marginally less worse than your opposite number in a two horse race.
I mean as far as his followers are concerned, I listen to them, he sends them out to back the madness with a new idea daily hoping it will touch a spot while they argue its merits, which really don't have much merit. The Tories who aren't really Tories anyway have no choice but try and pick holes in it for the public viewing pleasure, must keep up appearances. We tried and did our best but failed at everything.Expect at fecking over the voters. |
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Post by thomas on May 16, 2023 6:47:35 GMT
Rational? A few of my friends ended up pregnant at 16. And one of my friends got stupidly hooked on heroin. Leave the voting age as is. Your point is not well made " very few of vinnys "points" ever are to be fair red.
i tell you , these backward tories on here seem rather irritable at the minute dont you think?
If the age of legal capacity in scotland is 16 , and people like vinny want all the uk countires to be the same , then i see no reason why england cant come into line with scotland and lower the age from 18 to 16 , along with voting and giving eu/foreign citizens the vote.
If starmer goes the full hogg and not only does that but brings in PR , you could lock the tories out of westminster forevermore. With the massive lead in the polls , it must be fucking tempting.?
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