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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 16:34:58 GMT
There's going to be a lot of people who feel a little right wing after reading his posts. It could be reverse psychology. Possibly. The irony is that he believes anyone who thinks differently from him is an extremist , much the same as his nemesis see2. Again you are claiming I said something I never said or thought. Debating tips picked up from the usual right wing no marks around here. Invent something no one said or thought and throw shit at it. lol Still it does have its comedy value |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 16:41:01 GMT
So basically you are too thick to understand what I am saying? Because you oppose the extension of the franchise. I do not. You need to look up the definition of the word "agree". And the whining from all you right wing twats here at a reasonable proposal is epic, lol I thought you were about to fuck off, Shrieky. Seems you've U-Turned even faster than Beer Korma! 
Meanwhile, back in the real world... Last time around I voted for the party that got an 80 seat majority which indicates that my views are closer to the mainstream than yours.
And my assessment is that Starmer currently has an open goal hence he imagines that he can get any old unpopular shit through it. But he also has a proven record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
“The public aren't bothered about woke” he says.
Aren't they, Sir Keir? Well I think he's going to find out.
And next time you'll likely be voting for a party that will lose. So there we are. You win some and you lose some. Proves nothing about majority opinion. No single party has ever won a majority of votes since the war, though because of Brexit and the lies of Bozo Spaffwaffle, and the unpopularity of Corbyn himself amongst mostly older voters, the Tories were always going to win that one. The broad tide of opinion agreed with you on enough few key things to vote the same way as you. But opinions and priorities have changed in all sorts of ways since then or have you not noticed? |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 15, 2023 16:41:20 GMT
So Vinny and Bentley are not against the principle as long as there is a payment involved. Not the conclusion that I would have come to but at least I'd like to thank them for thinking about the issue for themselves.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 15, 2023 16:51:35 GMT
What I'm missing here is any hint of reciprocity. Indians who are resident in the UK can vote in general elections but the reverse isn't true. If the full franchise is given to EU nationals in the UK then that should only be on the basis that the privilege will be reciprocated to British residents in their countries.
There doesn't seem any advantage or value in doing this unilaterally, although I understand that the Labour Party may perceive some electoral advantage in its political calculus.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 15, 2023 16:56:52 GMT
And next time you'll likely be voting for a party that will lose... Possibly, possibly not. How I vote will depend largely on the awfulness of the candidate that the Fib Dims put up. I quite fancy a punt on Reform but I don't want to open the door to Wanky McHitler from the Fib Dims if he's standing again. At least Labour have no chance round here. ...But opinions and priorities have changed in all sorts of ways since then or have you not noticed? Can't say I have, Shrieky. Seems to me that much the same old issues are still with us - people are pissed off that the Tories have failed to get a grip, that doesn't mean they'll vote for a party with no intention of getting one. |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2023 16:58:32 GMT
I don’t think it’s too much to ask that the price of the right to vote is to live long enough to be an adult and obtain UK citizenship. At £1400 it is a lot to pay for the price to vote. None of us would choose to pay it. This is intentional, so that only the well off will pay it, ie those who mostly vote Tory. You are a transparent load of unprincipled partisan fuckers really arent you? lol Don’t post bollocks . You might think that the right to vote has little value but ..well.. just don’t post bollocks . |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2023 16:59:46 GMT
Possibly. The irony is that he believes anyone who thinks differently from him is an extremist , much the same as his nemesis see2. Again you are claiming I said something I never said or thought. Debating tips picked up from the usual right wing no marks around here. Invent something no one said or thought and throw shit at it. lol Still it does have its comedy value I’m claiming what you read in the post . You are see2 no 2 . |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 17:26:22 GMT
At £1400 it is a lot to pay for the price to vote. None of us would choose to pay it. This is intentional, so that only the well off will pay it, ie those who mostly vote Tory. You are a transparent load of unprincipled partisan fuckers really arent you? lol Don’t post bollocks . You might think that the right to vote has little value but ..well.. just don’t post bollocks . If its bollocks, would you pay £1400 for the right to vote? Like fuck you would. So double standards again. |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2023 17:36:53 GMT
Don’t post bollocks . You might think that the right to vote has little value but ..well.. just don’t post bollocks . If its bollocks, would you pay £1400 for the right to vote? Like fuck you would. So double standards again. You are an idiot . I would pay £1400 to become a citizen of my adopted country. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 15, 2023 17:38:28 GMT
Don’t post bollocks . You might think that the right to vote has little value but ..well.. just don’t post bollocks . If its bollocks, would you pay £1400 for the right to vote? Like fuck you would. So double standards again.
I would. Sounds like a great idea.  |
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Post by Vinny on May 15, 2023 17:38:36 GMT
Exactly, it's not just the right to vote, it's the right to a passport, consular support, the right to stand for office, the right to vote in one's adopted country is the icing on the cake.
For a ONE TIME PAYMENT OF £1,400 that's a fucking good deal.
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Post by Pacifico on May 15, 2023 17:40:11 GMT
The right to vote, is citizenship. And a foreigner in our country, who wants to vote in our country, can pay to become one of us. The fee is not very high, it's quite reasonable and gives them the right not only to vote, but to stand for office. The right to vote should not come at a price. Standing for office is another issue. And £1400 is not a reasonable amount to have to pay for that right. Clearly you are not prepared to in spite of my challenge. Should citizenship confer any privileges on the individual? |
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Post by Vinny on May 15, 2023 17:44:52 GMT
So Vinny and Bentley are not against the principle as long as there is a payment involved. Not the conclusion that I would have come to but at least I'd like to thank them for thinking about the issue for themselves. Not against any immigrants living and working here, but if they want the passport, and all the benefits that go with it, earn it. Pay the fee. If you want to argue for altering the fee, that's fine, but there should be a fee to cover vetting of the applicant to check they're not some wanted international criminal. It does happen from time to time, Rwandan Genocide suspects ended up living in our country. Wouldn't want someone who murdered their neighbours for a neighbour would you? |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 17:52:59 GMT
If its bollocks, would you pay £1400 for the right to vote? Like fuck you would. So double standards again.
I would. Sounds like a great idea. Put your money where your mouth is then. Next time you exercise your right to vote, donate £1400 to a charity of your choice first. I bet you won't. Mind you, a fool and his money are easily parted I suppose |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 17:55:53 GMT
If its bollocks, would you pay £1400 for the right to vote? Like fuck you would. So double standards again. You are an idiot . I would pay £1400 to become a citizen of my adopted country. Your are the idiot. It is not citizenship I am objecting to the cost of. It is the right to vote. And I bet you wouldnt be willing to shell out £1400 for the right to vote in future elections. The fact that you therefore think others should is a double standard. |
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