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Post by Einhorn on May 19, 2023 8:32:09 GMT
So, what's the difference between socialism and communism? lefties defining Socialism = lefties gaslighting . Communism = no private property. Socialism = communism lite. It covers a broader range . It could mean some might be able to own a business or property . When lefties manipulate the definition enough to claim higher wages and NHS is a sign of a socialist state then it becomes meaningless. So I don’t accept that socialism = what you want it to be . Socialism is a collective society where the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. That definition will accommodate some private ownership but it doesn’t include a Sweden or the UK Darlene . So, what's the difference between socialism and communism, then? |
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Post by Bentley on May 19, 2023 8:32:27 GMT
Nope.Socialism is defined as I posted . Socialism isn’t whatever you feel like it is . Stop wriggling . Ooh the socialists are coming for you Bentley. Good job the Capitalists don't feed you line as well. Darlene is insisting that capitalism equals completely controlled by market forces and anything else is socialism . You’ve got to laugh .😁 |
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Post by Einhorn on May 19, 2023 8:33:42 GMT
Ooh the socialists are coming for you Bentley. Good job the Capitalists don't feed you line as well. Darlene is insisting that capitalism equals completely controlled by market forces and anything else is socialism . You’ve got to laugh .😁 No, I'm pointing out that Marx's dialectic describes a series of compromises between socialism and capitalism, until eventually communism is achieved. You can deny it if you like. Good luck persuading us you spent your childhood cleaning chimneys. |
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Post by Bentley on May 19, 2023 8:43:44 GMT
Darlene is insisting that capitalism equals completely controlled by market forces and anything else is socialism . You’ve got to laugh .😁 No, I'm pointing out that Marx's dialectic describes a series of compromises between socialism and capitalism, until eventually communism is achieved. You can deny it if you like. Good luck persuading us you spent your childhood cleaning chimneys. Nope. You are insisting that Capitalism must be completely controlled by market forces or it’s not capitalism. Anything else must be socialism. The part about chimneys is just something you made up in your head . The lefties that groomed you told you to that when you lose the argument..you do that a lot. |
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Post by Bentley on May 19, 2023 8:44:49 GMT
lefties defining Socialism = lefties gaslighting . Communism = no private property. Socialism = communism lite. It covers a broader range . It could mean some might be able to own a business or property . When lefties manipulate the definition enough to claim higher wages and NHS is a sign of a socialist state then it becomes meaningless. So I don’t accept that socialism = what you want it to be . Socialism is a collective society where the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. That definition will accommodate some private ownership but it doesn’t include a Sweden or the UK Darlene . So, what's the difference between socialism and communism, then? Read the post . |
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Post by Einhorn on May 19, 2023 8:47:36 GMT
No, I'm pointing out that Marx's dialectic describes a series of compromises between socialism and capitalism, until eventually communism is achieved. You can deny it if you like. Good luck persuading us you spent your childhood cleaning chimneys. Nope. You are insisting that Capitalism must be completely controlled by market forces or it’s not capitalism. Anything else must be socialism. The part about chimneys is just something you made up in your head . The lefties that groomed you told you to that when you lose the argument..you do that a lot. No, Ben Dover. Marx's dialectic says that the history of capitalism will be a history of compromise (struggle) with socialism. Can you explain how capitalist market forces extended the franchise, increased labour rights, and created the NHS. Or do you concede that these things have resulted from left-wing agitation? You know, that class struggle thing Marx explained. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 19, 2023 8:48:38 GMT
So, what's the difference between socialism and communism, then? Read the post . Explain how capitalist market forces extended the franchise and labour rights, and created the NHS. |
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Post by Bentley on May 19, 2023 9:06:34 GMT
Nope. You are insisting that Capitalism must be completely controlled by market forces or it’s not capitalism. Anything else must be socialism. The part about chimneys is just something you made up in your head . The lefties that groomed you told you to that when you lose the argument..you do that a lot. No, Ben Dover. Marx's dialectic says that the history of capitalism will be a history of compromise (struggle) with socialism. Can you explain how capitalist market forces extended the franchise, increased labour rights, and created the NHS. Or do you concede that these things have resulted from left-wing agitation? You know, that class struggle thing Marx explained. And again you insist that Capitalism can only be a system that is totally controlled by market forces . Labour rights originated from the struggle of unions . Unions were originally craft guilds . Unions forced the employers to concede by controlling and withdrawing labour . That isn’t socialism. A system paid for by a levy ( the NHS) equals a socialist state ? So the US is a socialist state because it has a transport system that is paid for by tax dollars ? Pull the other one Darlene . |
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Post by Einhorn on May 19, 2023 10:30:52 GMT
No, Ben Dover. Marx's dialectic says that the history of capitalism will be a history of compromise (struggle) with socialism. Can you explain how capitalist market forces extended the franchise, increased labour rights, and created the NHS. Or do you concede that these things have resulted from left-wing agitation? You know, that class struggle thing Marx explained. And again you insist that Capitalism can only be a system that is totally controlled by market forces . Labour rights originated from the struggle of unions . Unions were originally craft guilds . Unions forced the employers to concede by controlling and withdrawing labour . That isn’t socialism. A system paid for by a levy ( the NHS) equals a socialist state ? So the US is a socialist state because it has a transport system that is paid for by tax dollars ? Pull the other one Darlene . It's class struggle, Ben Dover. And what we see today is a compromise between capitalism and socialism. That means there is neither complete socialism nor complete capitalism (the dialectic). Socialism will continue to make strides. Only this week we saw capitalism lose more ground as increased restrictions were placed on how landlords may deal with their property. The Conservative Party is becoming increasingly socialist, just as Marx predicted. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 19, 2023 10:36:24 GMT
And again you insist that Capitalism can only be a system that is totally controlled by market forces . Labour rights originated from the struggle of unions . Unions were originally craft guilds . Unions forced the employers to concede by controlling and withdrawing labour . That isn’t socialism. A system paid for by a levy ( the NHS) equals a socialist state ? So the US is a socialist state because it has a transport system that is paid for by tax dollars ? Pull the other one Darlene . It's class struggle, Ben Dover. And what we see today is a compromise between capitalism and socialism. That means there is neither complete socialism nor complete capitalism (the dialectic). Socialism will continue to make strides. Only this week we saw capitalism lose more ground as increased restrictions were placed on how landlords may deal with their property. The Conservative Party is becoming increasingly socialist, just as Marx predicted. and Marxism will rule the UK one day, like the EU.  |
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Post by Einhorn on May 19, 2023 10:39:03 GMT
It's class struggle, Ben Dover. And what we see today is a compromise between capitalism and socialism. That means there is neither complete socialism nor complete capitalism (the dialectic). Socialism will continue to make strides. Only this week we saw capitalism lose more ground as increased restrictions were placed on how landlords may deal with their property. The Conservative Party is becoming increasingly socialist, just as Marx predicted. and Marxism will rule the UK one day, like the EU. Dunno. But the UK is becoming increasingly socialist, as this week's Landlord and Tenant legislation indicates. How many of those nasty EU laws are going to be repealed, by the way, Rubber? |
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Post by Bentley on May 19, 2023 10:59:12 GMT
And again you insist that Capitalism can only be a system that is totally controlled by market forces . Labour rights originated from the struggle of unions . Unions were originally craft guilds . Unions forced the employers to concede by controlling and withdrawing labour . That isn’t socialism. A system paid for by a levy ( the NHS) equals a socialist state ? So the US is a socialist state because it has a transport system that is paid for by tax dollars ? Pull the other one Darlene . It's class struggle, Ben Dover. And what we see today is a compromise between capitalism and socialism. That means there is neither complete socialism nor complete capitalism (the dialectic). Socialism will continue to make strides. Only this week we saw capitalism lose more ground as increased restrictions were placed on how landlords may deal with their property. The Conservative Party is becoming increasingly socialist, just as Marx predicted. Union ..A trade union is an organisation with members who are usually workers or employees. It looks after their interests at work by doing things like: negotiating agreements with employers on pay and conditions. discussing big changes like large scale redundancy. discussing members' concerns with employers. Socialism ..political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. They not the same Darlene and one can exist without the other. Unions didn't exist to create a collective society they existed to squeeze deal from the employers for….wait for it Darlene …their members . Unions became politicised but the primary function of unions is not political. Nice try leftie 😁 |
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Post by Einhorn on May 19, 2023 11:03:08 GMT
It's class struggle, Ben Dover. And what we see today is a compromise between capitalism and socialism. That means there is neither complete socialism nor complete capitalism (the dialectic). Socialism will continue to make strides. Only this week we saw capitalism lose more ground as increased restrictions were placed on how landlords may deal with their property. The Conservative Party is becoming increasingly socialist, just as Marx predicted. Union ..A trade union is an organisation with members who are usually workers or employees. It looks after their interests at work by doing things like: negotiating agreements with employers on pay and conditions. discussing big changes like large scale redundancy. discussing members' concerns with employers. Socialism ..political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. They not the same Darlene and one can exist without the other. Unions didn't exist to create a collective society they existed to squeeze deal from the employers for….wait for it Darlene …their members . Unions became politicised but the primary function of unions is not political. Nice try leftie 😁 I didn't read any of the above, but I can confirm it's crap. You just get a feel for these things. How do you like the Torys' new socialist legislation, Ben Dover. I hear Corbyn will be voting Tory at the next election.  |
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Post by Bentley on May 19, 2023 11:09:48 GMT
Union ..A trade union is an organisation with members who are usually workers or employees. It looks after their interests at work by doing things like: negotiating agreements with employers on pay and conditions. discussing big changes like large scale redundancy. discussing members' concerns with employers. Socialism ..political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. They not the same Darlene and one can exist without the other. Unions didn't exist to create a collective society they existed to squeeze deal from the employers for….wait for it Darlene …their members . Unions became politicised but the primary function of unions is not political. Nice try leftie 😁 I didn't read any of the above, but I can confirm it's crap. You just get a feel for these things. How do you like the Torys' new socialist legislation, Ben Dover. I hear Corbyn will be voting Tory at the next election. You read it . It refuted your bullshit . You pretended you didn’t read it . You just get a feel for these things . An non government organisation that pressures it’s employer to get more money for its members is socialism in action Darlene 😁 |
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Post by Einhorn on May 19, 2023 11:11:16 GMT
I didn't read any of the above, but I can confirm it's crap. You just get a feel for these things. How do you like the Torys' new socialist legislation, Ben Dover. I hear Corbyn will be voting Tory at the next election. You read it . It refuted your bullshit . You pretended you didn’t read it . You just get a feel for these things . An non government organisation that pressures it’s employer to get more money for its members is socialism in action Darlene 😁 Didn't bother reading it. It's been explained to you several times. If you don't understand by now, you never will. Loving the new socialist Tory party!! |
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