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Post by Einhorn on May 15, 2023 20:19:55 GMT
Well, you can't really over egg strapping Hindus to cannons and then blowing them up. It was particularly malicious as Hindus believe they can't enter heaven if their body parts are mingled with those of other people. I agree but neither can you step back and say well those who were strapped to cannons were seen to be the guilty parties in throwing British women and children into wells after mutilation and some alive. Not a pretty time but then we are dealing with past events in history. Do you know anything about the instructions given to British secret operatives in the event that the Nazis successfully invaded the UK? They weren't pretty. Mutilation was the least of it. |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 15, 2023 20:25:12 GMT
I agree but neither can you step back and say well those who were strapped to cannons were seen to be the guilty parties in throwing British women and children into wells after mutilation and some alive. Not a pretty time but then we are dealing with past events in history. Do you know anything about the instructions given to British secret operatives in the event that the Nazis successfully invaded the UK? They weren't pretty. Mutilation was the least of it. That's something I wasn't aware of. Can you point a source for those instructions? Thanks in advance.
On the other hand, I'm very familiar with the instructions that von Brauschitsch received concerning the future military government of an occupied UK.
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Post by Pacifico on May 15, 2023 21:29:58 GMT
there is a tendency to overegg the evil Empire pudding to some degree. Well, you can't really over egg strapping Hindus to cannons and then blowing them up. It was particularly malicious as Hindus believe they can't enter heaven if their body parts are mingled with those of other people. well unless they strapped more than one person to the same cannon their body parts were not mingled with someone else. |
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Post by sandypine on May 15, 2023 22:39:56 GMT
Ah the old look how evil the Empire was. Monbiot reiterates this false accounting from a ,strange as it may seem, Indian economist. For some reason the cost of running India is excluded and payment for goods and taxation are assumed to be the rip off. That is not the way it works. Here is the way it worked: www.globalresearch.ca/colonialism-how-the-british-empire-stole-45-trillion-from-india-and-lied-about-it/5663064The £45 Trillion figure is conservative and does not even include the debts that Britain imposed on India during the Raj. There was almost no increase in per capita income during the entire 200-year history of British rule in India. In fact, during the heyday of British intervention in the last half of the 19th century, income in India collapsed by half. The average life expectancy of Indians dropped by a fifth from 1870 to 1920. Tens of millions died needlessly of policy-induced famine. As regards famines it seems even in these days of Indian enlightenment and freedom they get it wrong. www.nytimes.com/2002/12/02/world/poor-in-india-starve-as-surplus-wheat-rots.htmlWhen it happens under UK rule it is genocide and a deliberate policy. When it happens under Indian rule... What is interesting, and much dodged, is what part local corruption and inefficiencies played, and still plays in these situations. There are many myths surrounding famines under British rule in India as Indian sources have an advantage to blame teh Brits and British sources tend to blame the Indians. It History will always be tarnished by partisan interpretation. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 15, 2023 23:05:52 GMT
Well, you can't really over egg strapping Hindus to cannons and then blowing them up. It was particularly malicious as Hindus believe they can't enter heaven if their body parts are mingled with those of other people. well unless they strapped more than one person to the same cannon their body parts were not mingled with someone else. They lined the cannons up in a row, feet apart, then strapped them to the barrels. What was that about bringing civilisation to the world? You've got to wonder what an elite that was hanging the starving children of its underclass for stealing loafs of bread thought it had to offer in terms of civilisation, anyway. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 15, 2023 23:09:33 GMT
Do you know anything about the instructions given to British secret operatives in the event that the Nazis successfully invaded the UK? They weren't pretty. Mutilation was the least of it. That's something I wasn't aware of. Can you point a source for those instructions? Thanks in advance.
On the other hand, I'm very familiar with the instructions that von Brauschitsch received concerning the future military government of an occupied UK.
There was a documentary about it on TV a couple of years ago. I'm sure you'll find something on Youtube. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 15, 2023 23:18:52 GMT
When it happens under UK rule it is genocide It didn't happen under UK rule. The average British citizen had no say in what happened. As soon as the average Brit was given a vote, the Empire started falling apart. It happened under the rule of a small elite. |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 16, 2023 6:58:32 GMT
That's something I wasn't aware of. Can you point a source for those instructions? Thanks in advance.
On the other hand, I'm very familiar with the instructions that von Brauschitsch received concerning the future military government of an occupied UK.
There was a documentary about it on TV a couple of years ago. I'm sure you'll find something on Youtube. The customary rule of forum etiquette requires that, if challenged, the onus to substantiate it is on the person who makes a claim. |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 16, 2023 7:00:44 GMT
When it happens under UK rule it is genocide It didn't happen under UK rule. The average British citizen had no say in what happened. As soon as the average Brit was given a vote, the Empire started falling apart. It happened under the rule of a small elite. Not true. Universal male suffrage was introduced in 1919, the Empire did not begin to contract until 1947. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 16, 2023 7:03:52 GMT
well unless they strapped more than one person to the same cannon their body parts were not mingled with someone else. They lined the cannons up in a row, feet apart, then strapped them to the barrels. What was that about bringing civilisation to the world? You've got to wonder what an elite that was hanging the starving children of its underclass for stealing loafs of bread thought it had to offer in terms of civilisation, anyway. There are levels of civilisation - what the British brought was better than what they had before. |
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Post by sheepy on May 16, 2023 7:05:32 GMT
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 9:01:43 GMT
They lined the cannons up in a row, feet apart, then strapped them to the barrels. What was that about bringing civilisation to the world? You've got to wonder what an elite that was hanging the starving children of its underclass for stealing loafs of bread thought it had to offer in terms of civilisation, anyway. There are levels of civilisation - what the British brought was better than what they had before. Okay, let's agree that the Indians were gifted with a low-level shitty form of civilisation that neither benefitted them nor the ordinary British person (who was working in shitty conditions and then going home to his slum tenement to live in a single room with 9 other people). |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 9:04:02 GMT
It didn't happen under UK rule. The average British citizen had no say in what happened. As soon as the average Brit was given a vote, the Empire started falling apart. It happened under the rule of a small elite. Not true. Universal male suffrage was introduced in 1919, the Empire did not begin to contract until 1947. Depends how you define the Empire. Ireland broke away from the UK very soon after the ordinary man obtained the franchise. There was no public support for a continued war with the Irish. Public support doesn't matter when the ordinary person doesn't have a vote. |
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Post by Einhorn on May 16, 2023 9:07:54 GMT
There was a documentary about it on TV a couple of years ago. I'm sure you'll find something on Youtube. The customary rule of forum etiquette requires that, if challenged, the onus to substantiate it is on the person who makes a claim. I'm prepared to extend ordinary courtesies to other users. But not you, Danny. I draw the line at people who sneeringly post pictures of Nazis murdering innocent people. |
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2023 9:19:19 GMT
The customary rule of forum etiquette requires that, if challenged, the onus to substantiate it is on the person who makes a claim. I'm prepared to extend ordinary courtesies to other users. But not you, Klan Dan. I draw the line at people who sneeringly post pictures of Nazis murdering innocent people. However you addressed the original post to me and I have seen no evidence other than a documentary about a couple of years ago. |
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