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Post by Pacifico on May 13, 2023 21:17:03 GMT
Sexual preferences are not driven by gender or sex - so why any need to accommodate them? For thousands of years personal sexual preference has been available to everyone without needing to redefine scientific fact. That makes absolutely no sense. Why is it necessary to 'accommodate' sex at all. well you are suggesting we should accommodate a persons sexual preference - why? |
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Post by sheepy on May 13, 2023 21:44:41 GMT
It isn't reality it is not even science, it is the latest fashion. Oh yes blokes definitely shag blokes because its fashionable Sigh. Did I mention homosexuality, no I didn't think so. |
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Post by zanygame on May 13, 2023 22:10:58 GMT
That makes absolutely no sense. Why is it necessary to 'accommodate' sex at all. well you are suggesting we should accommodate a persons sexual preference - why? I suggested no such thing. But logically the only place such a thing matters in public is a toilets. Other than that if a member of my staff states they are non binary that's just fine with me, I just ask how they'd like to be addressed. Its only to people like you that it matters so much. |
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Post by zanygame on May 13, 2023 22:12:17 GMT
Oh yes blokes definitely shag blokes because its fashionable Sigh. Did I mention homosexuality, no I didn't think so. It was an example to demonstrate the stupidity of your claim. |
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Post by colbops on May 13, 2023 22:16:03 GMT
well you are suggesting we should accommodate a persons sexual preference - why? I suggested no such thing. But logically the only place such a thing matters in public is a toilets. What about Female Only Gyms, Prisons, Single Sex Schools, Changing Rooms. Mosques, Domestic Violence Centres? I think you are making light of other people's genuine concerns. |
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Post by zanygame on May 13, 2023 22:26:59 GMT
I suggested no such thing. But logically the only place such a thing matters in public is a toilets. What about Female Only Gyms, Prisons, Single Sex Schools, Changing Rooms. Mosques, Domestic Violence Centres? I think you are making light of other people's genuine concerns. Each has policies that work well already. Female only gyms? Why would women object there? We are not in 1970, the women don't all share a shower. Prisons? Have policies Single sex schools, Are there even any left? And anyway they choose if you get in. Changing rooms, have cubicles Mosques, Really you think Islam is ready to accept non binary? Domestic violence centres have dispensation to not allow ex men into their establishments. But this is really all about the idea that a man would be prepared to pretend to change sex so he could get a glimpse of a women in a shower. |
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Post by colbops on May 13, 2023 22:54:27 GMT
What about Female Only Gyms, Prisons, Single Sex Schools, Changing Rooms. Mosques, Domestic Violence Centres? I think you are making light of other people's genuine concerns. Each has policies that work well already. 1.) Female only gyms? Why would women object there? We are not in 1970, the women don't all share a shower. 2.) Prisons? Have policies 3.)Single sex schools, Are there even any left? And anyway they choose if you get in. 4.)Changing rooms, have cubicles 5.)Mosques, Really you think Islam is ready to accept non binary? Domestic violence centres have dispensation to not allow ex men into their establishments. 6.)But this is really all about the idea that a man would be prepared to pretend to change sex so he could get a glimpse of a women in a shower. 1.) For some its a cultural issue for others it is a confidence/ comfort issue. This is a multicultural society, what about muslim women, or is it only a multcultural society when it suits you? 2) Those policies seem to be inconsistent and may I remind you lead to a convicted rapist being held in a woman's prison while serving a sentance for raping two women. That's a well working policy to you? 3) There are plenty of single sex schools, and I'm sure you'd be the first in line to protest non admission because one of them refused to accept someone's 'gender truth' 4) Not all changing rooms have cubicles. My swimming pool doesn't. It just has benches around the room 5) Surely the rule has to be for all and if someone's gender truth sees them wanting to use the woman's entrance why shouldn't they? 6.) Is it, seems like that's just you being dismissive again. |
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Post by Orac on May 14, 2023 1:13:42 GMT
My point was that sex is a biological system and that this system employs a binary distinction in a species - ie two variants of a species. Tradition has nothing to do with it at all - apart, that is, from the fact that tradition quite often tracks some important part of reality. You know full well that sex in human beings is far more complex than that or we wouldn't be having the conversations at all. You appear to be going around in circles looking for a door. The point i'm making is that binary nature of sex is not an arbitrary artifact of culture or tradition, it's rather a biological fact. Sex is a biological system that employs two variants ..hence binary |
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Post by sheepy on May 14, 2023 5:20:42 GMT
Did I mention homosexuality, no I didn't think so. It was an example to demonstrate the stupidity of your claim. Eh? no it wasn't it was your claim. Which showed up your own stupidity. |
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Post by zanygame on May 14, 2023 6:42:33 GMT
Each has policies that work well already. 1.) Female only gyms? Why would women object there? We are not in 1970, the women don't all share a shower. 2.) Prisons? Have policies 3.)Single sex schools, Are there even any left? And anyway they choose if you get in. 4.)Changing rooms, have cubicles 5.)Mosques, Really you think Islam is ready to accept non binary? Domestic violence centres have dispensation to not allow ex men into their establishments. 6.)But this is really all about the idea that a man would be prepared to pretend to change sex so he could get a glimpse of a women in a shower. 1.) For some its a cultural issue for others it is a confidence/ comfort issue. This is a multicultural society, what about muslim women, or is it only a multcultural society when it suits you? 2) Those policies seem to be inconsistent and may I remind you lead to a convicted rapist being held in a woman's prison while serving a sentance for raping two women. That's a well working policy to you? 3) There are plenty of single sex schools, and I'm sure you'd be the first in line to protest non admission because one of them refused to accept someone's 'gender truth' 4) Not all changing rooms have cubicles. My swimming pool doesn't. It just has benches around the room 5) Surely the rule has to be for all and if someone's gender truth sees them wanting to use the woman's entrance why shouldn't they? 6.) Is it, seems like that's just you being dismissive again. Why is it you always want the lefties to come up with a perfect answer. The rapist in the woman's prison, do you think they are just treated the same as every other prisoner? Where would you put them? Would you put a homosexual rapist in a mans prison? The world isn't perfect but that does not give anyone the right to claim people who don't like their sex should not be allowed to change it or that they have mental issues. Or dismiss it as a life style choice. |
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Post by zanygame on May 14, 2023 6:46:20 GMT
You know full well that sex in human beings is far more complex than that or we wouldn't be having the conversations at all. You appear to be going around in circles looking for a door. The point i'm making is that binary nature of sex is not an arbitrary artifact of culture or tradition, it's rather a biological fact. Sex is a biological system that employs two variants ..hence binary Only because you insist sex is determined by your genitalia. Like were were just reproductive organs on legs. We will never agree on that, but as you always do you assume you are right and I am trying to escape your indisputable logic. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 6:48:57 GMT
You know full well that sex in human beings is far more complex than that or we wouldn't be having the conversations at all. You appear to be going around in circles looking for a door. The point i'm making is that binary nature of sex is not an arbitrary artifact of culture or tradition, it's rather a biological fact. Sex is a biological system that employs two variants ..hence binary I believe children were once taught this with the birds and the bees story. It's quite surreal that it now needs to be explained to a fully developed adult. |
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Post by zanygame on May 14, 2023 6:56:32 GMT
You appear to be going around in circles looking for a door. The point i'm making is that binary nature of sex is not an arbitrary artifact of culture or tradition, it's rather a biological fact. Sex is a biological system that employs two variants ..hence binary I believe children were once taught this with the birds and the bees story. It's quite surreal that it now needs to be explained to a fully developed adult. Its even more surreal that an adult still has an infants view of sexuality. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 7:01:34 GMT
I believe children were once taught this with the birds and the bees story. It's quite surreal that it now needs to be explained to a fully developed adult. Its even more surreal that an adult still has an infants view of sexuality. Well, the infant probably understood it better than you. You see, sex is a man and a woman. That's the binary. Sexuality doesn't make any difference, because it doesn't change sex. |
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Post by zanygame on May 14, 2023 8:15:30 GMT
Its even more surreal that an adult still has an infants view of sexuality. Well, the infant probably understood it better than you. You see, sex is a man and a woman. That's the binary. Sexuality doesn't make any difference, because it doesn't change sex. Certainly that is your infantile view. |
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