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Post by colbops on May 12, 2023 0:51:25 GMT
The policy seems to have worked. He has gone to meet Jesus. I wonder how he gets on. Same for Welby, he's answerable to God for what he does and says and will be judged more severely than most. He's entitled to say whatever he wants in the HoL, but he did sound more like a left wing politician than an evangelical Christian. Did he come up with any solutions? Of course not. Whatever Welby is, he’s not a happy-clapping evangelist, otherwise he’d have many more empty pews than at present. As for offering solutions, few clerics do — they appear to believe that whatever deity they’re promoting will provide the way. Welby is just saying he thinks the current illegal immigration legislation is wrong and potentially damaging to the UK’s image and reputation. But only governments cooperating can solve what is a worldwide problem that many of them and their predecessors have often helped cause. Prayer may provide warm feelings of doing something, but there’s not many instant votes or much money in such problem solving for governments… I don't know about that. The happy clapping evangelists seem to get far more bums on seats than the average parish church and the TV evangelists, they rake in the dollar blood. |
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Post by Toreador on May 12, 2023 5:53:41 GMT
Well let's just do the maths, we have 650 MPs who are democratically elected , then we have 778 HoL who are undemocratically elevated to second chamber due to their entitled status in life.
778 democratically unelected bored busybody housewives meddling in politics and trying to override the wishes of the people/parliament, and getting paid to do so into the bargain, are basically running this country, ... no wonder it's fucked up.
You started to move away from "they should keep their nose out of the government's business", but now you've gone back to it again. Unfortunately the issue is that you don't really understand the role of the HoL. It is a REVISING chamber. They are there to look at the government's proposed legislation, criticise it and offer amendments. In order to do that you are looking for experts and expertise. Now I agree with you that there are a lot in the Lords are not providing that and that there is a good case for a different model, I'm open to the idea of an elected chamber, but what it absolutely should not be is lay people. Mr Angry from Surbiton is in no position to scrutinise the government's legislation with any expertise. I also wondered with your "keep their noses out" comment whether you would actually wish to scrap the revising chamber, in which case I do wonder who you want to scrutinise the legislation instead? The HoL is still unelected and is a mish-mash of hereditary peers and political appointees . |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 12, 2023 7:31:59 GMT
Indeed, and the political appointees are a mixture of failed politicians and crony friends, agree I'd like to see some form of reform.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 9:02:05 GMT
Whatever Welby is, he’s not a happy-clapping evangelist, otherwise he’d have many more empty pews than at present. As for offering solutions, few clerics do — they appear to believe that whatever deity they’re promoting will provide the way. Welby is just saying he thinks the current illegal immigration legislation is wrong and potentially damaging to the UK’s image and reputation. I don't know about that. The happy clapping evangelists seem to get far more bums on seats than the average parish church and the TV evangelists, they rake in the dollar blood. True, the last thing the C of E needs is a bunch of humanists masquerading as believers. |
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Post by Toreador on May 12, 2023 9:14:49 GMT
I don't know about that. The happy clapping evangelists seem to get far more bums on seats than the average parish church and the TV evangelists, they rake in the dollar blood. True, the last thing the C of E needs is a bunch of humanists masquerading as believers. lol |
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Post by walterpaisley on May 12, 2023 11:42:14 GMT
True, the last thing the C of E needs is a bunch of humanists masquerading as believers. Because the C of E going fundamental, and acting as though the Reformation and the Age of Reason never happened would somehow be a GOOD thing? (A local vicar, years ago, tore up his C of E membership card and threw his lot in with the evangelists. He now promotes Young Earth Creationism and women "submitting" to their husbands.. He never forgave our crew for knowing where Goliath was from for the pub quiz tiebreaker.) |
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Post by Bentley on May 12, 2023 12:04:41 GMT
True, the last thing the C of E needs is a bunch of humanists masquerading as believers. Because the C of E going fundamental, and acting as though the Reformation and the Age of Reason never happened would somehow be a GOOD thing? (A local vicar, years ago, tore up his C of E membership card and threw his lot in with the evangelists. He now promotes Young Earth Creationism and women "submitting" to their husbands.. He never forgave our crew for knowing where Goliath was from for the pub quiz tiebreaker.) What ?He will believe that magic words can change a biological make into a woman next.😁 |
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 12:10:43 GMT
Because the C of E going fundamental, and acting as though the Reformation and the Age of Reason never happened would somehow be a GOOD thing? (A local vicar, years ago, tore up his C of E membership card and threw his lot in with the evangelists. He now promotes Young Earth Creationism and women "submitting" to their husbands.. He never forgave our crew for knowing where Goliath was from for the pub quiz tiebreaker.) What ?He will believe that magic words can change a biological make into a woman next.😁 you have a point benny but does the english church have many believers now?
Your archbishop appears to be in the media more for political views or speeding fines more than he does spiritual guidance to those who follow the english church.
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Post by Bentley on May 12, 2023 12:14:28 GMT
What ?He will believe that magic words can change a biological make into a woman next.😁 you have a point benny but does the english church have many believers now?
Your archbishop appears to be in the media more for political views or speeding fines more than he does spiritual guidance to those who follow the english church.
I’m glad that you think I have a point toupe.👍 Yup he needs to concentrate on giving us all a soul full of hope and manning the soup kitchens once in a while . |
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 12:23:26 GMT
you have a point benny but does the english church have many believers now?
Your archbishop appears to be in the media more for political views or speeding fines more than he does spiritual guidance to those who follow the english church.
I’m glad that you think I have a point toupe.👍 Yup he needs to concentrate on giving us all a soul full of hope and manning the soup kitchens once in a while . personally i think the leaders of these minority religions should not be given any prominence. He is entitled to his opinion , and to voice it , but why is it newsworthy?
My old man passed away about ten years ago benny , and when we buried him in glasgow, we were told humanist funerals had overtaken christian funerals a long time ago. Is it the same in england?
Are we interested in what the political opinions are of say the leader of the minority jedi religion , or is it simply because welby has 26 spiritual lords in the westmisnter upper chambers?
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Post by Einhorn on May 12, 2023 12:25:23 GMT
Because the C of E going fundamental, and acting as though the Reformation and the Age of Reason never happened would somehow be a GOOD thing? (A local vicar, years ago, tore up his C of E membership card and threw his lot in with the evangelists. He now promotes Young Earth Creationism and women "submitting" to their husbands.. He never forgave our crew for knowing where Goliath was from for the pub quiz tiebreaker.) What ?He will believe that magic words can change a biological make into a woman next.😁 Tell us about your talking snake again, Benny  |
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Post by Bentley on May 12, 2023 12:27:34 GMT
What ?He will believe that magic words can change a biological make into a woman next.😁 Tell us about your talking snake again, Benny No I’m talking about lefties abusing the mentally Ill. Try not to get too triggered this time Darwin. What did I say about the snake ? |
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 12:29:05 GMT
What ?He will believe that magic words can change a biological make into a woman next.😁 Tell us about your talking snake again, Benny What ?
ive just spat coffee all over my keyboard ya cnut.
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Post by Bentley on May 12, 2023 12:30:10 GMT
I’m glad that you think I have a point toupe.👍 Yup he needs to concentrate on giving us all a soul full of hope and manning the soup kitchens once in a while . personally i think the leaders of these minority religions should not be given any prominence. He is entitled to his opinion , and to voice it , but why is it newsworthy?
My old man passed away about ten years ago benny , and when we buried him in glasgow, we were told humanist funerals had overtaken christian funerals a long time ago. Is it the same in england?
Are we interested in what the political opinions are of say the leader of the minority jedi religion , or is it simply because welby has 26 spiritual lords in the westmisnter upper chambers?
Separation of Church and State. No charity status unless it is a charity . Thats the way forward tutu. |
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 12:31:35 GMT
What ?He will believe that magic words can change a biological make into a woman next.😁 Tell us about your talking snake again, Benny  |
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