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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 9:16:55 GMT
LGBT debate, and rape are two different debates. Not really, the fact that some of these rapists are using the loopholes of pretending to be transgender in order to make it easier for them to select their victims, the law needs to tighten up these loopholes, because a man puts a dress on a pair of high heels doesn't make him a woman. Is that millions, thousands, tens, or just a couple? People will always take advantage of any given situation, you have done it many times in your life as have I. |
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Post by Vinny on May 12, 2023 9:21:09 GMT
UKIP at the time were extremely popular and even Scotland elected a UKIP MEP named David Coburn. Scotland was not assured we would remain in the EU. There was a manifesto commitment by the government to offering the UK the option of leaving the EU and a promise that the vote would be honoured. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-21148282It was clear at the time that unless Labour were to match the commitment to an in / out referendum, they would lose. They lost the 2014 EU elections badly coming 3rd. It was clear before the Scottish vote to stay in the UK that there was a serious possibility of the UK leaving the EU. |
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Post by Toreador on May 12, 2023 9:24:20 GMT
Scotland is part of the UK voted to stay British and the UK voted to leave the EU. Therefore Scotland is part of the UK vote to leave the EU. Scotland voted to remain in the UK on the understanding that we would remain in the EU. We left the EU but Scotland voted to remain, if they had been independent they would still be in the EU.
Scotland wants to be in the EU but were forced out by England. Britain voted to leave and if Scotland had become independent, they would have had to go through the application process to show they were fit and proper. |
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 9:27:46 GMT
UKIP at the time were extremely popular and even Scotland elected a UKIP MEP named David Coburn. Scotland was not assured we would remain in the EU. There was a manifesto commitment by the government to offering the UK the option of leaving the EU and a promise that the vote would be honoured. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-21148282It was clear at the time that unless Labour were to match the commitment to an in / out referendum, they would lose. They lost the 2014 EU elections badly coming 3rd. It was clear before the Scottish vote to stay in the UK that there was a serious possibility of the UK leaving the EU. lets deal with this cac.
we were. see previous posts .
thats correct. Cameron still had to win a majority in the 2015 election , then hold the ref and the polls were showing a clear remain majority. You are offering up a false dichotomy.
prove it?
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Post by Toreador on May 12, 2023 9:28:54 GMT
LGBT debate, and rape are two different debates. Not when men are identifying as women then proving the opposite. |
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 9:29:51 GMT
Scotland voted to remain in the UK on the understanding that we would remain in the EU. We left the EU but Scotland voted to remain, if they had been independent they would still be in the EU.
Scotland wants to be in the EU but were forced out by England. Britain voted to leave and if Scotland had become independent, they would have had to go through the application process to show they were fit and proper.
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 9:30:55 GMT
Scotland voted to remain in the UK on the understanding that we would remain in the EU. We left the EU but Scotland voted to remain, if they had been independent they would still be in the EU.
Scotland wants to be in the EU but were forced out by England. Britain voted to leave and if Scotland had become independent, they would have had to go through the application process to show they were fit and proper. EFTA membership would give us single market access within three months of independence , while the short application to the full eu membership was being considered. |
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Post by Toreador on May 12, 2023 9:34:30 GMT
Britain voted to leave and if Scotland had become independent, they would have had to go through the application process to show they were fit and proper. EFTA membership would give us single market access within three months of independence , while the short application to the full eu membership was being considered. I thought the subject was joining the EU. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 12, 2023 9:35:46 GMT
Not really, the fact that some of these rapists are using the loopholes of pretending to be transgender in order to make it easier for them to select their victims, the law needs to tighten up these loopholes, because a man puts a dress on a pair of high heels doesn't make him a woman. Is that millions, thousands, tens, or just a couple? People will always take advantage of any given situation, you have done it many times in your life as have I. We aren't talking about running a red light.
I can honestly say I have NEVER taken advantage of any situation for the purpose of criminal activity.
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 9:36:05 GMT
EFTA membership would give us single market access within three months of independence , while the short application to the full eu membership was being considered. I thought the subject was joining the EU. The subject matter in our conversation is being maintained.
Toreador tells us about all the walls scotland allegedly has to jump to rejoin , thomas helps torry with some facts.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 10:27:39 GMT
LGBT debate, and rape are two different debates. Not really, the fact that some of these rapists are using the loopholes of pretending to be transgender in order to make it easier for them to select their victims, the law needs to tighten up these loopholes, because a man puts a dress on a pair of high heels doesn't make him a woman. SOME of these rapists are using loopholes ? ... as in one, I mean if there was a trend, if it was a common occurance or if there had been a series of incidents, then we ought to consider doing something about it. For a Transgendered person to be considered for a womens prison, they would not simply be a "cock in a frock", a man in a dress, they would have to have been under medical attention and supervision,and the authorities would have to seek medical / psychological guidance. I do not see this as a political issue, and votes on law changes on these matters should be Free Votes without Whip, these are ethical, moral or social issues. THere have always been transgendered people, but they seem more prominent now because society has changed, led by the younger generation, we are much more tolerant and accepting of differences. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 12, 2023 10:37:20 GMT
Not really, the fact that some of these rapists are using the loopholes of pretending to be transgender in order to make it easier for them to select their victims, the law needs to tighten up these loopholes, because a man puts a dress on a pair of high heels doesn't make him a woman. SOME of these rapists are using loopholes ? ... as in one, I mean if there was a trend, if it was a common occurance or if there had been a series of incidents, then we ought to consider doing something about it. For a Transgendered person to be considered for a womens prison, they would not simply be a "cock in a frock", a man in a dress, they would have to have been under medical attention and supervision,and the authorities would have to seek medical / psychological guidance. I do not see this as a political issue, and votes on law changes on these matters should be Free Votes without Whip, these are ethical, moral or social issues.
THere have always been transgendered people, but they seem more prominent now because society has changed, led by the younger generation, we are much more tolerant and accepting of differences. Exactly, so why start changing toilets and changing rooms and so on?
I bet if you made a 'transgender only' toilet there would be uproar, which suggests it's nothing to do with being accepted and everything to do with the outraged woke snowflakes, looking for crusades, people are sick of it, and if some bloke walks in to a ladies public toilet while Mrs is in there, with dress and high heels on, and makes any wrong moves she'll twat him everywhere .... LOL
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 10:41:38 GMT
Not really, the fact that some of these rapists are using the loopholes of pretending to be transgender in order to make it easier for them to select their victims, the law needs to tighten up these loopholes, because a man puts a dress on a pair of high heels doesn't make him a woman. SOME of these rapists are using loopholes ? ... as in one, I mean if there was a trend, if it was a common occurance or if there had been a series of incidents, then we ought to consider doing something about it. For a Transgendered person to be considered for a womens prison, they would not simply be a "cock in a frock", a man in a dress, they would have to have been under medical attention and supervision,and the authorities would have to seek medical / psychological guidance. I do not see this as a political issue, and votes on law changes on these matters should be Free Votes without Whip, these are ethical, moral or social issues. THere have always been transgendered people, but they seem more prominent now because society has changed, led by the younger generation, we are much more tolerant and accepting of differences. sorry sid , but again , however well intentioned , you dont know what you are talking about.
Both labour snp liberals and greens , including some tories , are way out of step with public opinion in both scotland england and elsehwere on this matter.
The current guidance has been in place now for twenty years since the last labour government from memory.
The new guidance that the snp tried to introduce in scotland , and labour supports in england will make it easier for individuals to transition with less restrictions , and practical zero involvement from the medical profession .
The whole point of both the snp and starmer proposed self id bill , is that no one else gets a say in the matter.
to move further from where we are on transgender legislation , you are talking about a major erosion of womens rights . We dont want some prick using our womens safe spaces simply because they have self identified as a woman . Theres nothing tolerant about accepting this anti science guff.
A couple of months ago we got Panelbase to poll the Scottish public on a variety of issues around gender self-ID, and as usual we got very clear results: people DO NOT want the law changed to enable self-ID in real-world situations.
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 10:44:53 GMT
Not really, the fact that some of these rapists are using the loopholes of pretending to be transgender in order to make it easier for them to select their victims, the law needs to tighten up these loopholes, because a man puts a dress on a pair of high heels doesn't make him a woman. For a Transgendered person to be considered for a womens prison, they would not simply be a "cock in a frock", a man in a dress, they would have to have been under medical attention and supervision,and the authorities would have to seek medical / psychological guidance. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 12, 2023 10:47:52 GMT
It's strange that a woman who transgenders in to a man doesn't want to be sent to a mans prison, yet the new trend is for transgender men, who are convicted of sexual crimes all of a sudden want to be sent to women's prisons .... HELLO!!!
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