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Post by Montegriffo on May 8, 2023 13:38:14 GMT
Dan Stone knows...
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 13:42:41 GMT
monte i hate fucking dan snow. The man talks cac. It isnt the pillar of jacob according to celtic legend. its the pillar of jacob according to later christian legend , as the catholic church came into scotland in the 11/12th century and shall we say took all the old celtic myths and re wrote them to suit christian viewpoints. Thats just in the first few minutes.
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 13:50:12 GMT
professor skene proved it wasnt a block of middle east stone , but red perth sandstone , and of course going back to that wee french guy edward plantagenet , he famously decreed no english king was to be crowned upon the stone (as he came to allegedly realise it was a fake) which of course was systematically ignored by all further english then british royals.
still all a bit of fun. Its the symbolism that matters i suppose rather than the fact vinnys hero is being crowned on a cesspit lid from 13th century perthshire......
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Post by Montegriffo on May 8, 2023 13:51:54 GMT
monte i hate fucking dan snow. The man talks cac. It isnt the pillar of jacob according to celtic legend. its the pillar of jacob according to later christian legend , as the catholic church came into scotland in the 11/12th century and shall we say took all the old celtic myths and re wrote them to suit christian viewpoints. Thats just in the first few minutes.
At least he acknowledges that the monks of Scone Abbey may have hidden the original and replaced it with a bit of local sandstone. I like your story best (it's the one I shall tell from now on) but who really knows the truth? |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 13:59:06 GMT
monte i hate fucking dan snow. The man talks cac. It isnt the pillar of jacob according to celtic legend. its the pillar of jacob according to later christian legend , as the catholic church came into scotland in the 11/12th century and shall we say took all the old celtic myths and re wrote them to suit christian viewpoints. Thats just in the first few minutes.
At least he acknowledges that the monks of Scone Abbey may have hidden the original and replaced it with a bit of local sandstone. I like your story best (it's the one I shall tell from now on) but who really knows the truth? Let Charles III sit on a cesspit cover if he likes?
The most fun is that, on hearing that Edward 1st of England was on his way to Scone, in 1296, to claim it, the local monks hid it and replaced it with a cesspit cover which since then has sort of soiled the experience of future English and UK monarchs squatting above it.
But was it the real thing?
There are some historians, however, who doubt that the lump of sandstone which Edward seized as the ultimate Scottish souvenir was actually the real one. According to one source, Edward I sent a raiding party back to Scone Abbey in 1298, in search of something – but whatever it was, they returned empty-handed. If the monks of Scone had swapped the precious Stone of Destiny for a fake, they had hidden the real one very well.
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 14:00:38 GMT
Potent symbol or medieval cesspit lid?
The present Stone is a potent symbol of English claims to the domination of Scotland, although it is extremely unlikely that the patriotic Abbot and brothers at Scone would have handed over the symbol of Scottish nationhood to a detested and despised foreign invader.
Indeed there may be considerable truth in the claims that the iron rings on the Stone are due to the fact that it was the cesspit cover at the Abbey, and as an unforgiving republican and nationalist I freely confess to taking many moments of quiet delight at the poetic justice contained in the possibility that generations of English and British monarchs have been crowned while sitting on the medieval equivalent of a lavatory-pan lid.
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Post by Montegriffo on May 8, 2023 14:01:13 GMT
professor skene proved it wasnt a block of middle east stone , but red perth sandstone , and of course going back to that wee french guy edward plantagenet , he famously decreed no english king was to be crowned upon the stone (as he came to allegedly realise it was a fake) which of course was systematically ignored by all further english then british royals.
still all a bit of fun. Its the symbolism that matters i suppose rather than the fact vinnys hero is being crowned on a cesspit lid from 13th century perthshire......
As you know the wee frog is a personal favourite of mine. Mainly because of his beautiful castles but also because he had quite the life. He is also a namesake as one of my middle names is Edward. I raise my glass to Edward the first, Longshanks, the Hammer of the Scots and subjugator of the Welsh.  |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 14:06:42 GMT
professor skene proved it wasnt a block of middle east stone , but red perth sandstone , and of course going back to that wee french guy edward plantagenet , he famously decreed no english king was to be crowned upon the stone (as he came to allegedly realise it was a fake) which of course was systematically ignored by all further english then british royals.
still all a bit of fun. Its the symbolism that matters i suppose rather than the fact vinnys hero is being crowned on a cesspit lid from 13th century perthshire......
As you know the wee frog is a personal favourite of mine. Mainly because of his beautiful castles but also because he had quite the life. He is also a namesake as one of my middle names is Edward. I raise my glass to Edward the first, Longshanks the Hammer of the Scots. if you read some of the works of professor geoffrey barrow , renowned for his expertise on medieval scotland and medieval warfare , the earlier part of edward plantagenets life is quite interesting. He was best of friends with the scottish king alexander , and when alexander had his unfortunate accident , and threw scotland into turmoil , edward seems to have went a wee bit potty. Hence the beginnings of the wars of independence.
A great man turned bad , from all accounts , and his son of course was a fucking clown , who if i recall was murdered by the norman french in england such was he despised.
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Post by Montegriffo on May 8, 2023 14:16:36 GMT
As you know the wee frog is a personal favourite of mine. Mainly because of his beautiful castles but also because he had quite the life. He is also a namesake as one of my middle names is Edward. I raise my glass to Edward the first, Longshanks the Hammer of the Scots. if you read some of the works of professor geoffrey barrow , renowned for his expertise on medieval scotland and medieval warfare , the earlier part of edward plantagenets life is quite interesting. He was best of friends with the scottish king alexander , and when alexander had his unfortunate accident , and threw scotland into turmoil , edward seems to have went a wee bit potty. Hence the beginnings of the wars of independence.
A great man turned bad , from all accounts , and his son of course was a fucking clown , who if i recall was murdered by the norman french in england such was he despised.
Eddy 2 was a bit of a disappointment to be sure but the rumours of his ultimate end must make a proud Scot like yourself smile. Edward III made up for it with his glorious victories over the French on the fields of Crecy and other great battles. It took the French a good 200 years to get Calais back off us after he liberated it in his diarrhea stricken march across northern France. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 14:17:53 GMT
  Long may he reign. I'm sure he will. The SNP has the Labour party for support, and while both have a history of being anti-English, neither can mess with Charlie. |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 14:23:07 GMT
if you read some of the works of professor geoffrey barrow , renowned for his expertise on medieval scotland and medieval warfare , the earlier part of edward plantagenets life is quite interesting. He was best of friends with the scottish king alexander , and when alexander had his unfortunate accident , and threw scotland into turmoil , edward seems to have went a wee bit potty. Hence the beginnings of the wars of independence.
A great man turned bad , from all accounts , and his son of course was a fucking clown , who if i recall was murdered by the norman french in england such was he despised.
Eddy 2 was a bit of a disappointment to be sure but the rumours of his ultimate end must make a proud Scot like yourself smile. Edward III made up for it with his glorious victories over the French on the fields of Crecy and other great battles. It took the French a good 300 years to get Calais back off us after he liberated it in his diarrhea stricken march across northern France. off us?
We were on the french side monte. Indeed , 70 years after eddie won at crecy , the scots saved france from english oblivion , in a battle that is still remembered across france to this day...
The day the Scots saved France battle of bauge 1421
Accounts of the Hundred Years War that are easily available in the anglophone world describe stirring feats of arms in an age of chivalry during an epic struggle between two great military powers. One is regaled with a catalogue of great English victories whose names resound in the histories taught in the anglophone world; Poitiers, Crecy, Agincourt, Cravant, Verneuil, even the curiously named "Battle of the Herrings". Indeed, the oldest regiment in the world, reputedly, certainly the oldest in the British army, the 1st Royal Scots, lists an engagement during la Guerre de Cent Ans as the first of the many hundreds of battles and sieges where it has distinguished itself. Surely it is therefore only through blind prejudice that so many seem not to ask what must appear to the impartial an obvious question - how is it possible that the English lost the war, when they seem to have won all the battles ? In answering this question we must return to that engagement listed as the first credited to the Royal Scots. The engagement in question was the Battle of Bauge, fought on the day before Easter Sunday, 1421, and was considered by many at the time to be the turning point in the war, being the first occasion a "French" army inflicted a defeat upon the English in the field during the course of the war. This "French" army was almost entirely Scottish in composition, and included units whom the Royal Scots claim as predecessors.
In 1419 there landed at La Rochelle 150 men-at-arms and 300 archers, from Scotland. Over the course of the next six years 17,000 men would disembark from Glasgow to make the same journey. They formed the basis of the only armies the French could put in the field for the next ten years. Without them there would be no France.
At Bauge, the Scots destroyed the English heavy cavalry, which at that time meant a lot more than the mere death of the king's brother. It meant the destruction of their ability to be anything other than a garrison, and the prevention of an English army penetrating south of the Loire and encircling the strategically vital cities of Orleans and Tours, thus giving the French vital time in which to recover and face the next onslaught
The French recovery made possible by the Scots meant that apres la Pucelle their assistance was called upon less and less. Nevertheless the warm bond between Scotland and France persists to this day. Scottish merchants were given first choice of wine in Bordeaux in gratitude, much to the chagrin of the English merchants, and so in conclusion it would be fitting to raise a glass of claret and make the toast "Vive la France, Alba gu brath."
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Post by Montegriffo on May 8, 2023 14:32:41 GMT
We English are retaking Aquitaine one house at a time.
The local supermarket near my own little hovel (not too far from the scene of yet another glorious victory at Poitiers) has a whole aisle of English foods such as Marmite, cheddar cheese, baked beans, marmalade etc the demand is so high and you are almost as likely to overhear English being spoken as French.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 14:33:17 GMT
The King!
Formally known for the most honourable role as the Prince of Wales.
*wipes tear.
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Post by Montegriffo on May 8, 2023 14:35:48 GMT
The King!
Formally known for the most honourable role as the Prince of Wales.
*wipes tear.
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 14:51:39 GMT
We English are retaking Aquitaine one house at a time. The local supermarket near my own little hovel (not too far from the scene of yet another glorious victory at Poitiers) has a whole aisle of English foods such as Marmite, cheddar cheese, baked beans, marmalade etc the demand is so high and you are almost as likely to overhear English being spoken as French. unsurprising , as areas such as the dordogne have been known as little england for years. We have family in France ,friends in the north , family in the south , and english being spoken , wether the british english of the anglo saxon reitrees in dordogne , or the american english the young french kids use sometimes is not unusual.
you never really owned aquitaine though in the first place mate. The french owned you remember? 1066 and all that , french language introduced and 300 years of french speaking english kings that produced the half french we speak today , before the descednants of the original french setllers in england lost their lands in the mother country as you were kicked out by us and the french.
Fuck sake even your house of lords , as an echo of that earlier time , still uses norman french in its opening ceremony , and its was only in cromwells times that english law was first permitted to be written in the backward english tongue instead of the beauty of the romance language that is Francais.
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