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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 16:49:40 GMT
Do you not understand that the 'peaceful' methods have been tried and ignored by our elite class, who appear not to be bothered that continuing to pollute our world leads only one way. Oh, so now you are advocating violence, no wonder society is losing its moral fiber. Is gluing your head to the floor considered violent now? Is shouting loudly considered violent now? Is chaining yourself to a railing considered violent now. Your argumentative technique is very immature if you do not know the difference between violent behaviours and disruptive behaviours. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 21:22:11 GMT
OH dear, it looks like some people have been a bit quick to allude that Labour will not repeal the 'lock on' legislation, should have waited a bit. Labour? Hah, those dystopian weirdos? They will take all of it and use it against the people.
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Post by thomas on May 11, 2023 6:42:14 GMT
What ? That labour have panicked after the bollocking they have been given over social media the last few days?
Who can trust a liar? According to the polls , fewer and fewer .
Clarification, isn't that what we all want? They will not repeal the whole bill, that would not make sense and there are some good points to it but basic rights for the people will be restored. Or do you agree that the police can veto any protest? the clarification is that labour wont repeal this bill. What more do you need to see that vote red tory , get blue tory is a pointless excercise?
You the man who told us voting red tory would help heal the damage the blue tories have caused , and you wonder why so many people laugh ?
If you hate the conservatives that much in the labour party , perhaps you can tell the forum why your party is in coalition with them in so many councils across scotland , and for holyrood and westmisnter elections in scotland , prominent labour figures have told scots labour voters to vote tory ?
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Post by thomas on May 11, 2023 6:45:15 GMT
waffle. Nandy has said labour would repeal parts of it. After such a damaging few days for starmer on tuition fees and protests , clearly labour are panicking and had to do something with the severe stick they are coming in for , and have sent out dizzy lizzy to undo much damage.
Opinion polling must be hitting home.
Tuition fees, so still plugging that lie without proof, tut tut. we know the snp in scotland are commited to keeping free tuition while labour and their tory mates want to implement them. Come voting time ,im sure my fellow scots will vote with their wallets.
What a fucking blunder your leader has made. Any other idiot would have kept quiet , but not the dimwit that is starmer . Its as if he thinks scots and english cant read what he is saying in each of our countries?
Its been all over the scottish media for days see 2.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 6:46:48 GMT
Clarification, isn't that what we all want? They will not repeal the whole bill, that would not make sense and there are some good points to it but basic rights for the people will be restored. Or do you agree that the police can veto any protest? the clarification is that labour wont repeal this bill. What more do you need to see that vote red tory , get blue tory is a pointless excercise?
You the man who told us voting red tory would help heal the damage the blue tories have caused , and you wonder why so many people laugh ?
If you hate the conservatives that much in the labour party , perhaps you can tell the forum why your party is in coalition with them in so many councils across scotland , and for holyrood and westmisnter elections in scotland , prominent labour figures have told scots labour voters to vote tory ?
There are an awful lot of legislation that will need repealing once Labour get into power and that cannot be done on day one. As I have said and the Labour party acknowledges there are some good 'bits' in the legislation and repealing all of it will take time. Labour need, when they take power, to show that they are making a difference and will need to prioritise. Where did your common sense go? |
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Post by thomas on May 11, 2023 6:51:10 GMT
the clarification is that labour wont repeal this bill. What more do you need to see that vote red tory , get blue tory is a pointless excercise?
You the man who told us voting red tory would help heal the damage the blue tories have caused , and you wonder why so many people laugh ?
If you hate the conservatives that much in the labour party , perhaps you can tell the forum why your party is in coalition with them in so many councils across scotland , and for holyrood and westmisnter elections in scotland , prominent labour figures have told scots labour voters to vote tory ?
There are an awful lot of legislation that will need repealing once Labour get into power and that cannot be done on day one. As I have said and the Labour party acknowledges there are some good 'bits' in the legislation and repealing all of it will take time. Labour need, when they take power, to show that they are making a difference and will need to prioritise. Where did your common sense go? i dont want to hear any more excuses. If a bill is bad, then it needs repealed.
common sense tells me why vote labour , if they are going to give us tory policies.?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 7:29:39 GMT
There are an awful lot of legislation that will need repealing once Labour get into power and that cannot be done on day one. As I have said and the Labour party acknowledges there are some good 'bits' in the legislation and repealing all of it will take time. Labour need, when they take power, to show that they are making a difference and will need to prioritise. Where did your common sense go? i dont want to hear any more excuses. If a bill is bad, then it needs repealed.
common sense tells me why vote labour , if they are going to give us tory policies.?
So a bill that protects women but at the same time attacks asylum seekers should be repealed in it's entirety, ridiculous. Labour at their worst are better than the money grabbing, fraudulent, racist, lying Tories. |
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Post by sheepy on May 11, 2023 7:32:48 GMT
There are an awful lot of legislation that will need repealing once Labour get into power and that cannot be done on day one. As I have said and the Labour party acknowledges there are some good 'bits' in the legislation and repealing all of it will take time. Labour need, when they take power, to show that they are making a difference and will need to prioritise. Where did your common sense go? i dont want to hear any more excuses. If a bill is bad, then it needs repealed.
common sense tells me why vote labour , if they are going to give us tory policies.?
There are no Tory policies or Labour policies or Lib Dem policies, they are all the same policy. |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 11, 2023 7:51:43 GMT
It's not actually the protesters who are pissing me off, it's the softly softly police. Protesters are doing what protesters do, being a pain in the arse, but the police are not doing what they are supposed to do, and that's to swiftly remove or arrest those protesters who are being a pain in the arse. The protesters have highlighted just how the woke snowflake police have become, we've known this for a while, but quite frankly until these protests I never realised just how woke and snowflake they've become, is it any wonder they aren't interested in real crime, and catching real criminals, and to think us the tax payers are paying their wages and solving our own crimes. I disagree the Police in London have arrested a large number of protesters almost daily, that is why there about 400 Officers that are brought into Central London to deal with them on a regular basis, that means they are not available to deal with crimes in the Boroughs they are supposed to be, there is not enough of them to deal with everything even before these fanatical protesters started their antics The new additions to Legislation have made to make it easier for Police to deal with the protesters that cause the public serious problems, and make more arrests, which will probably mean the protesters may well change tactics again In answer to your first sentence. I agree, the police have indeed arrested a number of people. A large number of those protesting in ways unacceptable to the average commuter in favt. And every one of those fuckers has been back on the tarmac deploying the superglue to be a pain in the arse again 24 hours later. They bloody well boast about it. At least if the truncheon wielders went about their job properly, the way they did in the seventies and eighties, half those taken away would be out of action in plaster casts for a few months. And if a few lefty lawyers were found face down in canals they fell in on route to bail their ‘clients’ out, who exactly would weep ? The leader of these modern day guerilla warfare scum has said on live tv he would not be troubled if his tactics delayed an ambulance to the point the patient inside fird. Their death was an unacceptable loss in the face of the bigger emergency he haid. What part of ‘the country into which i was born sent the fucking SAS to sort scum like that out, permanently’ do you not understand ? This isn’t protest. Its a declaration of urban warfare in which death is acceptable collateral damage on one side only. Time to level the fucking scoreboard. Reassemble the Special Patrol Group. The woke pro euros were oh so keen to sign us up to the European Gendarmerie Force. Well, prepare for 1000 fold London property insurance premium hikes because i say guck this, let slip the dogs of war….. |
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Post by Handyman on May 11, 2023 8:19:53 GMT
I disagree the Police in London have arrested a large number of protesters almost daily, that is why there about 400 Officers that are brought into Central London to deal with them on a regular basis, that means they are not available to deal with crimes in the Boroughs they are supposed to be, there is not enough of them to deal with everything even before these fanatical protesters started their antics The new additions to Legislation have made to make it easier for Police to deal with the protesters that cause the public serious problems, and make more arrests, which will probably mean the protesters may well change tactics again In answer to your first sentence. I agree, the police have indeed arrested a number of people. A large number of those protesting in ways unacceptable to the average commuter in favt. And every one of those fuckers has been back on the tarmac deploying the superglue to be a pain in the arse again 24 hours later. They bloody well boast about it. At least if the truncheon wielders went about their job properly, the way they did in the seventies and eighties, half those taken away would be out of action in plaster casts for a few months. And if a few lefty lawyers were found face down in canals they fell in on route to bail their ‘clients’ out, who exactly would weep ? The leader of these modern day guerilla warfare scum has said on live tv he would not be troubled if his tactics delayed an ambulance to the point the patient inside fird. Their death was an unacceptable loss in the face of the bigger emergency he haid. What part of ‘the country into which i was born sent the fucking SAS to sort scum like that out, permanently’ do you not understand ? This isn’t protest. Its a declaration of urban warfare in which death is acceptable collateral damage on one side only. Time to level the fucking scoreboard. Reassemble the Special Patrol Group. The woke pro euros were oh so keen to sign us up to the European Gendarmerie Force. Well, prepare for 1000 fold London property insurance premium hikes because i say guck this, let slip the dogs of war….. Firstly I have no wish to see our Police who police by consent to act as you would see in some countries using stun grenades, firing tear gas etc Secondly the Police have no choice but to release people on Bail unless there is good legal reason not to even when charged , such as failed to appear at Court when bailed to do so, committing offences whilst already on bail , likely to abscond, they have a right to bail its a basic human right Even if Police refuse bail it means that person must be put before a Magistrates Court as soon as possible, then it is the Magistrates to decide if that person is granted bail to await trial or not , or grant them bail either unconditionally or with conditions usual report to Police often every day and live at a set address, if they breach them they can be arrested and taken back to court. If the Magistrate remands them into custody sent to Prison to await trial, they can appeal to a higher Court for bail |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 11, 2023 9:15:11 GMT
In answer to your first sentence. I agree, the police have indeed arrested a number of people. A large number of those protesting in ways unacceptable to the average commuter in favt. And every one of those fuckers has been back on the tarmac deploying the superglue to be a pain in the arse again 24 hours later. They bloody well boast about it. At least if the truncheon wielders went about their job properly, the way they did in the seventies and eighties, half those taken away would be out of action in plaster casts for a few months. And if a few lefty lawyers were found face down in canals they fell in on route to bail their ‘clients’ out, who exactly would weep ? The leader of these modern day guerilla warfare scum has said on live tv he would not be troubled if his tactics delayed an ambulance to the point the patient inside fird. Their death was an unacceptable loss in the face of the bigger emergency he haid. What part of ‘the country into which i was born sent the fucking SAS to sort scum like that out, permanently’ do you not understand ? This isn’t protest. Its a declaration of urban warfare in which death is acceptable collateral damage on one side only. Time to level the fucking scoreboard. Reassemble the Special Patrol Group. The woke pro euros were oh so keen to sign us up to the European Gendarmerie Force. Well, prepare for 1000 fold London property insurance premium hikes because i say guck this, let slip the dogs of war….. Firstly I have no wish to see our Police who police by consent to act as you would see in some countries using stun grenades, firing tear gas etc Secondly the Police have no choice but to release people on Bail unless there is good legal reason not to even when charged , such as failed to appear at Court when bailed to do so, committing offences whilst already on bail , likely to abscond, they have a right to bail its a basic human right Even if Police refuse bail it means that person must be put before a Magistrates Court as soon as possible, then it is the Magistrates to decide if that person is granted bail to await trial or not , or grant them bail either unconditionally or with conditions usual report to Police often every day and live at a set address, if they breach them they can be arrested and taken back to court. If the Magistrate remands them into custody sent to Prison to await trial, they can appeal to a higher Court for bail I don’t WANT to see law abiding protestors shot either. You seem to have ignored the fact the leader of the organisation made a live televised declaration that deaths caused by his organisations activities were acceptable and worthwhile as a price to pay for the cause. I don’t know how old you are but i recall the provisional IRA saying the same in the 1970s and the moment that shitbag declared he was ok with people dying for his cause he signed tbe paper allowing him to be the first. Did you MISS him saying he was ok with his organisation’s actions killing people And they HAVE killed people. The twats on the Dartford Bridge caused THIS www.energylivenews.com/2022/10/21/two-people-die-during-just-stop-oil-protest/Time to stop fucking about, call them the terrorists they are and use the means we have to treat terrorists as terrorists. That should rebalance the scales nicely. And keep the roads clear. |
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Post by Handyman on May 11, 2023 10:32:05 GMT
Firstly I have no wish to see our Police who police by consent to act as you would see in some countries using stun grenades, firing tear gas etc Secondly the Police have no choice but to release people on Bail unless there is good legal reason not to even when charged , such as failed to appear at Court when bailed to do so, committing offences whilst already on bail , likely to abscond, they have a right to bail its a basic human right Even if Police refuse bail it means that person must be put before a Magistrates Court as soon as possible, then it is the Magistrates to decide if that person is granted bail to await trial or not , or grant them bail either unconditionally or with conditions usual report to Police often every day and live at a set address, if they breach them they can be arrested and taken back to court. If the Magistrate remands them into custody sent to Prison to await trial, they can appeal to a higher Court for bail I don’t WANT to see law abiding protestors shot either. You seem to have ignored the fact the leader of the organisation made a live televised declaration that deaths caused by his organisations activities were acceptable and worthwhile as a price to pay for the cause. I don’t know how old you are but i recall the provisional IRA saying the same in the 1970s and the moment that shitbag declared he was ok with people dying for his cause he signed tbe paper allowing him to be the first. Did you MISS him saying he was ok with his organisation’s actions killing people And they HAVE killed people. The twats on the Dartford Bridge caused THIS www.energylivenews.com/2022/10/21/two-people-die-during-just-stop-oil-protest/Time to stop fucking about, call them the terrorists they are and use the means we have to treat terrorists as terrorists. That should rebalance the scales nicely. And keep the roads clear. I know what these people have said and done , and yes their actions may have contributed to deaths and I stress may have you could say the same about the NHS strikes, and yes living in London I have been effected by their unlawful protests that has caused disruption to thousands of people, but I would not advocate murdering anyone, I prefer dealing with them by due process of Law. I am in my 70's so I do know what the IRA did and may do again, I have relatives who served in NI a former work colleague of my was murdered by the IRA, but what as that got to do with what is happening here ? |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 11, 2023 13:47:38 GMT
I don’t WANT to see law abiding protestors shot either. You seem to have ignored the fact the leader of the organisation made a live televised declaration that deaths caused by his organisations activities were acceptable and worthwhile as a price to pay for the cause. I don’t know how old you are but i recall the provisional IRA saying the same in the 1970s and the moment that shitbag declared he was ok with people dying for his cause he signed tbe paper allowing him to be the first. Did you MISS him saying he was ok with his organisation’s actions killing people And they HAVE killed people. The twats on the Dartford Bridge caused THIS www.energylivenews.com/2022/10/21/two-people-die-during-just-stop-oil-protest/Time to stop fucking about, call them the terrorists they are and use the means we have to treat terrorists as terrorists. That should rebalance the scales nicely. And keep the roads clear. I know what these people have said and done , and yes their actions may have contributed to deaths and I stress may have you could say the same about the NHS strikes, and yes living in London I have been effected by their unlawful protests that has caused disruption to thousands of people, but I would not advocate murdering anyone, I prefer dealing with them by due process of Law. I am in my 70's so I do know what the IRA did and may do again, I have relatives who served in NI a former work colleague of my was murdered by the IRA, but what as that got to do with what is happening here ? simply put, both the provo’s and these scum are happy to see people die as a result of their activities they claim justified by political ends. That’s it. My view is quite simple and uncompromising The moment that piece of shit running his protest organisation made the statement that he had no problems with his movement causing the death of someone because his movement’s aims and objectives were more important than their life, he declared himself a terrorist. That’s it. |
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Post by thomas on May 11, 2023 14:23:40 GMT
i dont want to hear any more excuses. If a bill is bad, then it needs repealed.
common sense tells me why vote labour , if they are going to give us tory policies.? Labour at their worst are better than the money grabbing, fraudulent, racist, lying Tories. so which part , if any , of the protest bill would labour repeal and why? |
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Post by see2 on May 11, 2023 14:51:05 GMT
Tuition fees, so still plugging that lie without proof, tut tut. we know the snp in scotland are commited to keeping free tuition while labour and their tory mates want to implement them. Come voting time ,im sure my fellow scots will vote with their wallets.
What a fucking blunder your leader has made. Any other idiot would have kept quiet , but not the dimwit that is starmer . Its as if he thinks scots and english cant read what he is saying in each of our countries?
Its been all over the scottish media for days see 2.
Clearly it hasn't registered with you yet that without conclusive evidence the accusation is just conjecture i.e. an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information. This insinuated lie is just meant to muddy the waters in order for the easily misled to become even easier to mislead. The easily misled have swallowed this unproven insinuation, hook line and sinker. Guaranteeing more of the same in the future just the same as in the past, its 'carry on idiots' AGAIN. |
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