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Post by Orac on May 1, 2023 9:25:20 GMT
People can live where they want so long as 'everyone's happy'? Well, that waters Walter's principle down a bit. Trying to fit Walter's principle into his revealed preferences - we have to assume thousands of Somalians can / should walk into areas of the UK because Walter is happy with this happening. However, people can't / shouldn't have Air BNB holidays anywhere near him because Walter is not happy with this happening. It all makes sense. It seems if they cancelled his booking and put up the place to migrants that would be a 'happy' situation as well. My guess would be yes, but there may be further hidden caveats. I'm beginning to suspect proximity to Walter is a very important variable here. |
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Post by Orac on May 1, 2023 9:39:53 GMT
To be fair, Wally has been remarkably consistent in his belief that "No I just figure that they're all people, and people should get to live where they choose." I don't think he's placing any bounds on the term 'people', either in terms of national origin or immigration status. From that perspective his objection to properties being used as holiday lets rather than as accommodation for, say, Somalians is a perfectly rational stance to take. ...but arbitrary. To get something broad enough to fully justify large sections of the UK being demographically dominated by people of recent foreign source, the principle has to be quite tightly applied - ie "people can live where they want" has to be very close to meaning "people can live where they want regardless of any other factor". Air BNB does seems to me to be a very arbitrary caveat in that light. Are people in air BNB accommodation not living or not where they want to be? |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 10:05:54 GMT
I have no objection to immigration and building bridges, but within reason and not with the intention to cause harm. The mainstream parties went against the wishes of the people who elected them and pushed for genocide, which is the only word that can be used to describe the situation. They knew it was an irreversible process so all they had to do was encourage the far-left to violently attack anyone who disagreed with it and corrupt laws and the media to shut down all dissent for a couple of decades.
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Post by Bentley on May 1, 2023 11:26:42 GMT
That’s exactly what it is but by stealth ..Nazi lite…a more gentle way . The holocaust wasn’t ethic cleansing. It was pure murder. Strange how lefties can link Nazi rhetoric when it suits them but dismiss it when it doesn’t ..hypocrisy anyone? No one is chasing whites out of their houses at gunpoint. Don't be so hyperbolic. You cheapen the plight of victims of real ethnic cleansing with your nonsense rhetoric. This is ethnic cleansing.  ![]() No it’s not. That is genocide . You lefties make me laugh . You are quite willing to be triggered by Nazi rhetoric when it suits you but deny it with pedantic rigour when it does not . White flight. =ethic cleaning by stealth? No lefties( Nazi lite) say you need a gun and razor wire for that…..you don’t. Your photo only reflects your own pedantry and hyperbole, not mine. |
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Post by Bentley on May 1, 2023 11:33:23 GMT
Nazism was born from their Marxist doctrine. They just don't like to admit that Hitler was one of them, because he lost. Oh, is it that time again? Because the "Nazism was actually left-wing, really" myth turns up with depressing regularity here. Try reading a book. If you can't stretch to a book, just look almost anywhere.. www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialistsThere are some very real parallels between Communism ( as practiced) and National socialism including some disastrous consequences. |
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Post by Montegriffo on May 1, 2023 11:53:01 GMT
Oh, is it that time again? Because the "Nazism was actually left-wing, really" myth turns up with depressing regularity here. Try reading a book. If you can't stretch to a book, just look almost anywhere.. www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialistsThere are some very real parallels between Communism ( as practiced) and National socialism including some disastrous consequences. The political spectrum is shaped like a horseshoe. The extremes are closer to each other than the middle. |
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Post by Bentley on May 1, 2023 12:00:25 GMT
There are some very real parallels between Communism ( as practiced) and National socialism including some disastrous consequences. The political spectrum is shaped like a horseshoe. The extremes are closer to each other than the middle. And that’s why the claim that Nazism ‘ is actually left wing ‘ has some value. |
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Post by Montegriffo on May 1, 2023 12:39:47 GMT
The political spectrum is shaped like a horseshoe. The extremes are closer to each other than the middle. And that’s why the claim that Nazism ‘ is actually left wing ‘ has some value. No is hasn't. It just demonstrates that in practice the far right and the far left are both totalitarian. Hitler was no more a communist than Stalin was a fascist. They were just both authoritarians. A pox on both their houses. |
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Post by Bentley on May 1, 2023 12:44:28 GMT
And that’s why the claim that Nazism ‘ is actually left wing ‘ has some value. No is hasn't. It just demonstrates that in practice the far right and the far left are both totalitarian. Hitler was no more a communist than Stalin was a fascist. They were just both authoritarians. A pox on both their houses. It doesn’t demonstrate anything . It points out how similar they are . Therefore it has value . |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 12:47:36 GMT
And that’s why the claim that Nazism ‘ is actually left wing ‘ has some value. No is hasn't. It just demonstrates that in practice the far right and the far left are both totalitarian. Hitler was no more a communist than Stalin was a fascist. They were just both authoritarians. A pox on both their houses. The reality of the situation is that both Fascism and Communism are spawned from the same Marxist doctrine and are both collectivist and totalitarian. To describe two similar things as opposites is dishonest. The far-right would instead suggest an extreme individualism and next to minimal government with little restrictions. |
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Post by Bentley on May 1, 2023 12:55:11 GMT
No is hasn't. It just demonstrates that in practice the far right and the far left are both totalitarian. Hitler was no more a communist than Stalin was a fascist. They were just both authoritarians. A pox on both their houses. The reality of the situation is that both Fascism and Communism are spawned from the same Marxist doctrine and are both collectivist and totalitarian. To describe two similar things as opposites is dishonest. The far-right would instead suggest an extreme individualism and next to minimal government with little restrictions. Indeed. Objectivism as proposed by Ayn Rand is the true far right. |
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Post by Montegriffo on May 1, 2023 13:02:18 GMT
No is hasn't. It just demonstrates that in practice the far right and the far left are both totalitarian. Hitler was no more a communist than Stalin was a fascist. They were just both authoritarians. A pox on both their houses. It doesn’t demonstrate anything . It points out how similar they are . Therefore it has value . Similar in execution not in ideology. Nazism is not a left wing ideology. |
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Post by sheepy on May 1, 2023 13:17:19 GMT
It doesn’t demonstrate anything . It points out how similar they are . Therefore it has value . Similar in execution not in ideology. Nazism is not a left wing ideology. Only in that it has much in common being closer than anything else, well it amused me. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 13:27:41 GMT
It doesn’t demonstrate anything . It points out how similar they are . Therefore it has value . Similar in execution not in ideology. Nazism is not a left wing ideology. Of course it was. It was the National Socialist Workers Party - a reaction to Communism, whilst riding on the success of Socialism in that time (competition). There was plenty in the 1920s Nazi manifesto that was left-wing. Of course, Germany wasn't Russia and the Nazi party had to appease those who produced the cash, so allowed private business so long as they understood that they serve the Nazi State and Nazi ideology. Unlike Communism, it didn't materialise through revolution and it was too short lived to see how it may have turned out. |
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Post by Bentley on May 1, 2023 14:06:23 GMT
It doesn’t demonstrate anything . It points out how similar they are . Therefore it has value . Similar in execution not in ideology. Nazism is not a left wing ideology. It’s a collectivist ideology . It’s the second cheek on the same arse. |
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