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Post by wapentake on Apr 28, 2023 23:42:36 GMT
There can’t be life without death and if immortality were possible you’d die of boredom. Why is death necessary for evolution? We know that a caterpiller can change into a butterfly. I assume there's a reason why evolution can't take place in a similar manner. Do you know what that reason is? It's probably an elementary question for someone familiar with the ins and outs of Darwinian theory. No I don’t but caterpillar to butterfly isn’t evolution. |
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Post by Einhorn on Apr 28, 2023 23:43:51 GMT
Why is death necessary for evolution? We know that a caterpiller can change into a butterfly. I assume there's a reason why evolution can't take place in a similar manner. Do you know what that reason is? It's probably an elementary question for someone familiar with the ins and outs of Darwinian theory. No I don’t but caterpillar to butterfly isn’t evolution. Yes, it's not evolution. Nevertheless, the effect is similar, even more dramatic, than evolution. Caterpillars undergo a fundamental change without dying. Is there a reason why evolutionary change requires death as opposed to, say, metamorphosis? |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 28, 2023 23:47:38 GMT
Interesting question. Why is death necessary for evolution? That may be true in the long term, since evolution = change, and change happens gradually through the generations, but in the short term, we can only pass on our genes while we are alive. Good point. But why does death need to enter the equation for evolution to happen? Why not some sort of metamorphosis? It's not so much a philosophical as a biological question. That's what I am questioning too. Evolution happens across much longer spans of time than individual humans can reach, therefore generations of us must die. On the other hand, the human race can only evolve if we procreate, and we have to be alive to do that. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 28, 2023 23:53:23 GMT
Ripley, in my experience on this rock which I accept is a mere nanosecond in time, I was born, I have had a meaningful life, and I will die. The end. The reason we die is because life comes to an end. A far more interesting question is why......is why, what? Why we were ever here? We're here at the mercy of our DNA which demands we replicate. But why? If you find out, let me know! What I don't believe is that we are here as part of the plan of a supernatural being. That makes no sense to me. |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 28, 2023 23:58:04 GMT
No I don’t but caterpillar to butterfly isn’t evolution. Yes, it's not evolution. Nevertheless, the effect is similar, even more dramatic, than evolution. Caterpillars undergo a fundamental change without dying. Is there a reason why evolutionary change requires death as opposed to, say, metamorphosis? The best I can come up with is without death there’s no reason for evolution. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 29, 2023 0:44:28 GMT
...is why, what? Why we were ever here? We're here at the mercy of our DNA which demands we replicate. But why? If you find out, let me know! What I don't believe is that we are here as part of the plan of a supernatural being. That makes no sense to me. Life is recurring it's all happened before. Life takes trillions of years to evolve and in all likelihood life as we know it is thriving in other parts of the universe, why wouldn't it. We are a spec of dust in a cosmos which is 94 billion light years across, and that's only because we cant see any further. It's a distance unfathomable to humans, unless you're a physicist perhaps. Yet in 'space' terms it's nothing. We're told the nearest habitable planet (Habitable for humans) is Keplar 186f, which is 493 light years from Earth, and would take about 22 million years to reach, lol, I mean human life is c80 years or a picosecond in time. So even though 'Passengers' was an entertaining film, it vastly underestimated time and distance. In my opinion. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 29, 2023 1:44:41 GMT
There is another aspect of death, and it's far more emotive than the act of dying. This may sound a tad selfish, knowing the deceased is far more upsetting than being the deceased. I'm reminded of the death of Rick Mayall. His friend Ade Edmondson said, the selfish bastard went without me. I didn't laugh, I completely understood.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2023 6:33:00 GMT
No I don’t but caterpillar to butterfly isn’t evolution. Yes, it's not evolution. Nevertheless, the effect is similar, even more dramatic, than evolution. Caterpillars undergo a fundamental change without dying. Is there a reason why evolutionary change requires death as opposed to, say, metamorphosis? What evolution has been observed, lately, Darling? Why do you bring up caterpillars? How do you thing butterflies "evolved" to metamorphism? Perhaps they died and evolved. I'm sorry but evolution, when alongside entropy, makes little sense in the world. Mutations occur, but how good are they? |
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Post by Einhorn on Apr 29, 2023 8:08:38 GMT
Yes, it's not evolution. Nevertheless, the effect is similar, even more dramatic, than evolution. Caterpillars undergo a fundamental change without dying. Is there a reason why evolutionary change requires death as opposed to, say, metamorphosis? What evolution has been observed, lately, Darling? Why do you bring up caterpillars? How do you thing butterflies "evolved" to metamorphism? Perhaps they died and evolved. I'm sorry but evolution, when alongside entropy, makes little sense in the world. Mutations occur, but how good are they? Whoosh! |
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Post by Einhorn on Apr 29, 2023 8:11:07 GMT
What evolution has been observed, lately, Darling? 'Stray dogs that have left human care are evolving more wolf-life traits. Although dogs separated from their wolf ancestor around 18,000 years ago, several new groups of pups that are more genetically similar to wolves have begun to show up around the world sometime within the past 150 years.' |
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Post by Einhorn on Apr 29, 2023 8:16:26 GMT
Why do you bring up caterpillars? How do you thing butterflies "evolved" to metamorphism? Perhaps they died and evolved. I brought butterflies and caterpillars up to demonstrate that living things can fundamentally change their form without dying. So, why the need for death when things evolve? And, yes, of course death was involved in the evolution of butterflies and caterpillars from what they were previously. But why is the death process necessary? If evolution is required, why not have some form of mutation similar to what caterpillars undergo? As I've already said, it is not a philosophical question. There is probably a very good reason. If you know, please share. |
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Post by Einhorn on Apr 29, 2023 8:20:14 GMT
I'm sorry but evolution, when alongside entropy, makes little sense in the world. What does that have to do with the OP? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2023 8:36:57 GMT
What evolution has been observed, lately, Darling? 'Stray dogs that have left human care are evolving more wolf-life traits. Although dogs separated from their wolf ancestor around 18,000 years ago, several new groups of pups that are more genetically similar to wolves have begun to show up around the world sometime within the past 150 years.' If you are off Googling it would be polite to provide the source for your finds. www.businessinsider.com/examples-of-evolution-happening-right-now-2015-2 |
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Post by Einhorn on Apr 29, 2023 8:38:41 GMT
'Stray dogs that have left human care are evolving more wolf-life traits. Although dogs separated from their wolf ancestor around 18,000 years ago, several new groups of pups that are more genetically similar to wolves have begun to show up around the world sometime within the past 150 years.' If you are off Googling it would be polite to provide the source for your finds. www.businessinsider.com/examples-of-evolution-happening-right-now-2015-2I put the post in quotation marks to show that I was quoting. As your above post demonstrates, it is an easy matter to find the source. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2023 8:39:48 GMT
I'm sorry but evolution, when alongside entropy, makes little sense in the world. What does that have to do with the OP? 4 posts in a row = triggered? Regarding the OP, which I think is a good topic: The meaning of death is the ceasing of the existence of life. It has nothing at all to do with evolution. |
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