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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 29, 2023 11:04:09 GMT
I suppose the question becomes one of whether it is in the national interest to offer subsidised public housing to foreigners and their offspring. Most European countries don't, nor do most of the countries from which migrant streams originate. However local authorities in the UK are obliged by statute to accommodate anyone who presents themselves as being in need no matter what their origins or their length of tenure the authority's area.
I'd note also that if the RBKC had not been obliged to provide social housing to immigrants Grenfell Tower would likely have been demolished long ago.
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Post by piglet on Apr 29, 2023 11:10:14 GMT
Oh, so weve developed the sarf, now we should concrete over the north, good thinking, and the way were going we will. Penny not dropped. Go and live in brum, be greeted by loud chanting from a ghetto blaster in arabic telling the muslims god knows what by the bull in the bull ring. Disgusting. Brum like London is not a british city, crime rampant, the english on the outskirts. No green spaces. Drugs everywhere, weirdos by the dozens, unemployed, high, abusive.....and blaming the government. Instead of knocking heads they dole out more nonsense. you get it?
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Post by Toreador on Apr 29, 2023 13:39:16 GMT
Tower blocks quickly lost favour with the people they were intended to house, the indigenous working class, many of whom needed to be re-housed because of the slum clearances in the 50s and 60s. Hundreds were demolished in the eighties and nineties, and no more were built after the mid-70s (Grenfell was one of the last). Tower Blocks are going to be with us for a good while yet, perhaps for ever in London and other major urban centres. Totally agree. However local authorities then found it impossible to do away with completely, especially in London, where immigration brought a new demand for subsidised social housing. At the present time 60% of all social housing in London is occupied by a BAME household. In Grenfell Tower the figure was nearer 90%. I'm not sure wheat the relevancy of ethnicity is to housing need - sure people need a property whether they are black, white or brown? If you are saying that there are more poorer ethnic communities, then I'd agree, but that isn't really a housing issue.Of course it's a bloody housing issue because the housing ladder is often loaded in favour of poorer people who can't rent from private landlords. It's also true that indigenous people will often refuse sub-standard accommodation, whether it's sub-standard due to condition or considered sub-standard due to an ethnicity issue. You can call that discriminatory but you'd be hard pushed to prove that, best put it down to personal choice. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 29, 2023 16:23:44 GMT
Are you in some fantasy land, why are you mixing up a forced upon us crime wave with immigration of a skilled kind. Please can you quote the part of the post where I did that? No, thought not. Good, now you will have no reason for doing so, I also doubt highly skilled immigrants will be bothered by tower blocks being knocked down either, or finding any housing for themselves. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 29, 2023 17:43:45 GMT
Nice pipe dream but that is simply not true. The right to buy removed a rental property from the pool of rental properties and the councils were not allowed to build replacements. People were still living in those properties - the overall amount of housing stock was unchanged. The issue is the long term damage to the availability of social housing. It wasn’t just the removal of rental property from the market, she also axed rent tribunals allowing the Rachmann’s of the age to make a killing. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 29, 2023 21:18:34 GMT
People were still living in those properties - the overall amount of housing stock was unchanged. The issue is the long term damage to the availability of social housing. It wasn’t just the removal of rental property from the market, she also axed rent tribunals allowing the Rachmann’s of the age to make a killing.I dont get your point John - Rachmann operated in the days of rent tribunals, the existence of tribunals didnt stop him creating his property empire. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 29, 2023 21:56:46 GMT
The issue is the long term damage to the availability of social housing. It wasn’t just the removal of rental property from the market, she also axed rent tribunals allowing the Rachmann’s of the age to make a killing.I dont get your point John - Rachmann operated in the days of rent tribunals, the existence of tribunals didnt stop him creating his property empire. OK. What i was getting at was Thatchers destruction of the numerous controls and routes of appeal open to private and public sector tenants left them at the mercy of pretty much the worst excesses imaginable. I know because i had to put up with exactly one such in the earliest years of my marriage. Fortunately after two and a half years i was in paid employment commanding a salary that allowed me a 1980s endowment mortgage (dont get me started !!) but the rest of the street where we were renting were stuck with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2023 21:15:25 GMT
The reduction in the number of social housing properties has directly led to an increase in rental costs. There has been a reduction in house building across all sectors - people no longer want mass housebuilding, yet at the same time the population (and thus demand is increasing). So of course the cost of housing is going to rise across the board. It is the people who already have houses who dont want mass housebuilding. The homeless, those stuck paying extortionate rents, those still living with the parents, those who have no hope of a council house or of buying tend to want a lot more houses being built. It is at its core another case of the greedy haves shafting the have nots, prioritising their nice view over the needs of the homeless on the streets. And yes, yet again, much of the me, me, me generation is in the forefront of it. I have never yet met a homeless person who objects to mass housebuilding. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 30, 2023 21:48:08 GMT
There has been a reduction in house building across all sectors - people no longer want mass housebuilding, yet at the same time the population (and thus demand is increasing). So of course the cost of housing is going to rise across the board. It is the people who already have houses who dont want mass housebuilding. The homeless, those stuck paying extortionate rents, those still living with the parents, those who have no hope of a council house or of buying tend to want a lot more houses being built. It is at its core another case of the greedy haves shafting the have nots, prioritising their nice view over the needs of the homeless on the streets. And yes, yet again, much of the me, me, me generation is in the forefront of it. I have never yet met a homeless person who objects to mass housebuilding. Fair enough - I will correct my statement. It is the people who vote in elections who do not want housebuilding. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 9:07:27 GMT
It is the people who already have houses who dont want mass housebuilding. The homeless, those stuck paying extortionate rents, those still living with the parents, those who have no hope of a council house or of buying tend to want a lot more houses being built. It is at its core another case of the greedy haves shafting the have nots, prioritising their nice view over the needs of the homeless on the streets. And yes, yet again, much of the me, me, me generation is in the forefront of it. I have never yet met a homeless person who objects to mass housebuilding. Fair enough - I will correct my statement. It is the people who vote in elections who do not want housebuilding. The ones you know perhaps. But many millions of people living in substandard housing, living with their parents, paying extortionate rents, are voters too and they do want a lot more housing to be built, especially cheap social housing to rent and cheap housing to buy at affordable prices. And many of their parents and grandparents who are already sorted for housing actually care about the housing of their kids and grandkids. Of course the more elderly and well heeled nimby vote is also largely Tory voting, which is why the Tories will never build enough housing. The Tories have relied heavily upon the support of the me, me, me generation for decades now. But it is also why the Tories are increasingly losing the support of the young and many of the middle aged, and are losing the argument amongst anyone not already on the housing ladder or who cares sufficiently about their nearest and dearest who are not. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 1, 2023 10:50:46 GMT
Fair enough - I will correct my statement. It is the people who vote in elections who do not want housebuilding. The ones you know perhaps. But many millions of people living in substandard housing, living with their parents, paying extortionate rents, are voters too and they do want a lot more housing to be built, especially cheap social housing to rent and cheap housing to buy at affordable prices. And many of their parents and grandparents who are already sorted for housing actually care about the housing of their kids and grandkids. Of course the more elderly and well heeled nimby vote is also largely Tory voting, which is why the Tories will never build enough housing. The Tories have relied heavily upon the support of the me, me, me generation for decades now. But it is also why the Tories are increasingly losing the support of the young and many of the middle aged, and are losing the argument amongst anyone not already on the housing ladder or who cares sufficiently about their nearest and dearest who are not. Nah - you are kidding yourself. Labour and LibDem politicians are just as against House building as Tories simply because that is what their supporters vote for. To be fair its not just Housing, its any large infrastructure project. For example for the last 30 years Thames water have been trying to build a new reservoir in Abingdon to alleviate the water shortages in the South East - the opposition to that project is being led by the local LibDem MP. |
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