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Post by sheepy on Apr 28, 2023 7:18:51 GMT
"If an asylum seeker is placed in contingency accommodation such as a hotel, which offers meals, they are eligible for £8.24 per week to cover clothes, non-prescription medication and travel. They are not eligible for mainstream benefits". People may wonder why 'some' asylum seekers turn to crime. To say "Asylum seekers are fuelling crime' is just not true. Those who pay criminals to come here illegally are most definitely feeding crime Einstein.
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 28, 2023 8:09:05 GMT
"If an asylum seeker is placed in contingency accommodation such as a hotel, which offers meals, they are eligible for £8.24 per week to cover clothes, non-prescription medication and travel. They are not eligible for mainstream benefits". People may wonder why 'some' asylum seekers turn to crime. To say "Asylum seekers are fuelling crime' is just not true. But Braverman didn't actually say that. She was talkin about the people arriving (illegally) in the small boats. Most of these people are economic migrants since they're mainly coming from France which is a safe country. In fact they've probably been turned down for asylum in France because they're not eligible. And most of the Albanians are coming here to join the black economy and many have already been deported from the Uk previously - why else would they pay thousands to people smugglers if they could just get a visitors visa and come her on scheduled flight for a peanuts. Braverman was dead right - it's about time someone in govt pointed out the truth. It's just surprising that anyone has the cheek to say she's wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 9:03:45 GMT
On one hand you say "the government does not bother keeping the relevant data" and then say 'we know', how is this not contradictory? On certain aspects the data is at best sketchy but we do know prison populations and they tell a tale. Choose whichever country you want to - look at the prison population of that country - you will find in EVERY instance that the prison population is over represented by minorities. Whether it be Aboriginals in Australia, Afro-Caribbean people in the U.S, Roma in Romania or black people in this country, its the same everywhere. This tells us something about human nature, it tells us that we do not treat all people as equal, and that discrimination equals poverty equals crime. Suella Braverman is a disgusting, evil excuse for a human being
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Post by sandypine on Apr 28, 2023 9:29:01 GMT
On certain aspects the data is at best sketchy but we do know prison populations and they tell a tale. Choose whichever country you want to - look at the prison population of that country - you will find in EVERY instance that the prison population is over represented by minorities. Whether it be Aboriginals in Australia, Afro-Caribbean people in the U.S, Roma in Romania or black people in this country, its the same everywhere. This tells us something about human nature, it tells us that we do not treat all people as equal, and that discrimination equals poverty equals crime. Suella Braverman is a disgusting, evil excuse for a human being So if it is human nature, and I accept that argument with qualifications, why on earth have we spent the last 80 years bringing in as many people as we can against whom discrimination will be directed. There is also the aspect that if we become the minority will we be subject to the same level of discrimination and if so why would anyone wish to bring that about or support its implementation. There is either idiocy at work or there is a concerted effort to demographically change the UK and it is to the latter that all the evidence points whether by intent or accident. It seems diversity is not a positive thing after all and leads to all sorts of cultural clashes and problems inherent in human nature. Why should it continue?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 9:55:42 GMT
sandypine >> So if it is human nature, and I accept that argument with qualifications, why on earth have we spent the last 80 years bringing in as many people as we can against whom discrimination will be directed. There is also the aspect that if we become the minority will we be subject to the same level of discrimination and if so why would anyone wish to bring that about or support its implementation. There is either idiocy at work or there is a concerted effort to demographically change the UK and it is to the latter that all the evidence points whether by intent or accident.
It seems diversity is not a positive thing after all and leads to all sorts of cultural clashes and problems inherent in human nature. Why should it continue? -----------------------------------------------------------------------
You sound as though your making a really good argument in favour of "The Jewish Problem" of the 1930s in Germany
Decent, intelligent human beings fully accept that basically there is no huge differences between a Crowfoot Indian of Canada, a Dinka of East Africa or a tall, blonde Caucasion of Viking origin, they are all slight variants of the same thing.
Human migration is something which has always happened in the British Isles, wave after wave of migrants came, and then in the aftermath of the Second World War we had a huge labour shortage, there was much work to be done, but not enough people to do the work. This is when the British government decided to embark upon large scale immigration of BRITISH PEOPLE from the Caribbean, from British colonies.
Some had a problem with black British people from Trinidad or Barbados, I dont know why they did, I dont understand what their problem was. These people were British, they grew up singing God Save The King in schools and in the cinema.
Some people are just so prejudiced and of such low intelligence that they could not / cannot accept people who are different, even though these particular immigrants spoke English, most were God fearing, family people, and they wanted to come here to work and make a new life.
You sandypine may worry that theres a Hindu Temple in your town, you might worry that black people live on your street, or that theres a Sikh family running the local post office and corner shop; But me, I couldnt give a shit, I dont care, it does not bother me one little bit, just so long as they are nice people, and thats all that matters.
Wa ʿalaykumu s-salam
Peace be with you
Namaste
Shalom
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Post by Bentley on Apr 28, 2023 9:59:36 GMT
“ You sound as though your making a really good argument in favour of "The Jewish Problem" of the 1930s in Germany”
Here we go again . Another leftie posting a knee jerk Godwins law fallacy .🥱
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 10:46:40 GMT
“ You sound as though your making a really good argument in favour of "The Jewish Problem" of the 1930s in Germany” Here we go again . Another leftie posting a knee jerk Godwins law fallacy .🥱 That whole post is the biggest strawman post of the day. It should win a prize, Bentley.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 10:47:54 GMT
On certain aspects the data is at best sketchy but we do know prison populations and they tell a tale. Choose whichever country you want to - look at the prison population of that country - you will find in EVERY instance that the prison population is over represented by minorities. Whether it be Aboriginals in Australia, Afro-Caribbean people in the U.S, Roma in Romania or black people in this country, its the same everywhere. This tells us something about human nature, it tells us that we do not treat all people as equal, and that discrimination equals poverty equals crime. Suella Braverman is a disgusting, evil excuse for a human being So, they are in prison having committed no crimes? It's just nasty human nature unfairly sending them away. Is that what you think, really?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 12:49:50 GMT
"If an asylum seeker is placed in contingency accommodation such as a hotel, which offers meals, they are eligible for £8.24 per week to cover clothes, non-prescription medication and travel. They are not eligible for mainstream benefits". People may wonder why 'some' asylum seekers turn to crime. To say "Asylum seekers are fuelling crime' is just not true. Those who pay criminals to come here illegally are most definitely feeding crime Einstein. They are not illegal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 12:50:55 GMT
"If an asylum seeker is placed in contingency accommodation such as a hotel, which offers meals, they are eligible for £8.24 per week to cover clothes, non-prescription medication and travel. They are not eligible for mainstream benefits". People may wonder why 'some' asylum seekers turn to crime. To say "Asylum seekers are fuelling crime' is just not true. But Braverman didn't actually say that. She was talkin about the people arriving (illegally) in the small boats. Most of these people are economic migrants since they're mainly coming from France which is a safe country. In fact they've probably been turned down for asylum in France because they're not eligible. And most of the Albanians are coming here to join the black economy and many have already been deported from the Uk previously - why else would they pay thousands to people smugglers if they could just get a visitors visa and come her on scheduled flight for a peanuts. Braverman was dead right - it's about time someone in govt pointed out the truth. It's just surprising that anyone has the cheek to say she's wrong. People arriving here in small boats are, for the most part, asylum seekers.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 28, 2023 12:51:23 GMT
Those who pay criminals to come here illegally are most definitely feeding crime Einstein. They are not illegal. They are illegal dead nag.
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Post by sheepy on Apr 28, 2023 13:04:03 GMT
Those who pay criminals to come here illegally are most definitely feeding crime Einstein. They are not illegal. Is that so, well when we start sending you the other way, lets see if the French decide if you are illegal or not.
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Post by bancroft on Apr 28, 2023 13:10:54 GMT
Human migration is something which has always happened in the British Isles, wave after wave of migrants came, and then in the aftermath of the Second World War we had a huge labour shortage, there was much work to be done, but not enough people to do the work. This is when the British government decided to embark upon large scale immigration of BRITISH PEOPLE from the Caribbean, from British colonies. Some had a problem with black British people from Trinidad or Barbados, I dont know why they did, I dont understand what their problem was. These people were British, they grew up singing God Save The King in schools and in the cinema. Some people are just so prejudiced and of such low intelligence that they could not / cannot accept people who are different, even though these particular immigrants spoke English, most were God fearing, family people, and they wanted to come here to work and make a new life. We certainly had an issue post WWII some of my Mum's uncles that fought in WWII decided they would emigrate to Canada and there must have been more than a few returning to find their street bombed out and didn't fancy living in ruins or prefabs. Yet WWII was a special issue, I guess an aging population explains a little going forward yet from 98-2022 at 250k net per year that is 6m and most seem to go to the cities. Now having a large labour force reduces wages and also not all would be poor some would be bringing money with them. Yet once their numbers grow sufficient they can become an identifiable political target group and that is often when the problems start.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 28, 2023 13:14:12 GMT
...it tells us that we do not treat all people as equal, and that discrimination equals poverty equals crime. Suella Braverman is a disgusting, evil excuse for a human being Bollocks.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 28, 2023 13:23:40 GMT
On certain aspects the data is at best sketchy but we do know prison populations and they tell a tale. Choose whichever country you want to - look at the prison population of that country - you will find in EVERY instance that the prison population is over represented by minorities. Whether it be Aboriginals in Australia, Afro-Caribbean people in the U.S, Roma in Romania or black people in this country, its the same everywhere. This tells us something about human nature, it tells us that we do not treat all people as equal, and that discrimination equals poverty equals crime. Suella Braverman is a disgusting, evil excuse for a human being Total bollocks
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