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Post by Bentley on Apr 28, 2023 11:33:19 GMT
That's a good question and I don't know why Sir Mark Rowley hasn't been asked it. He wouldn't have an answer. But The comparison with Hitler's treatment of Jews is inappropriate. For a start we're not trying to kill the boat migrants. The trouble here is that the English language has been abused so much that it's hard to talk rationally about it. Muslims are not a "race" of course, but Jews are also not technically a separate race - they're part of the white race, though I suspect Hitler regarded them as a separate race. The rule of law (in the UK) is that people cannot be discriminated against because of their religion (a protected characteristic). But you can criticise a religion as we scrapped the law against blasphemy some years ago. So we can't ban muslim immigration - and neither can the USA. Trump plainly wanted to stop muslim immigration but it would violate the American Constitution so instead he tried to ban immigration from countries that sponsor terrorism - which is pretty much the same thing. But I think the courts struck that down too - in fact Obama also tried to do this. So Jenrick talks about damaging "cultural cohesiveness" and importing "different lifestyles" when what he means is that we don't want muslims because Islam is incompatible with a tolerant society - but that would be an offence. It's an anomaly in the law that people are free to follow a religion even if its beliefs are toxic (and deeply racist) but if a person has an ideology that he doesn't like people who follow Islam (because of their beliefs) he can be arrested for discriminating against people for a protected characteristic. Which makes no sense. My personal opinion is that beliefs (religious or not) should not be a protected characteristic. It should be perfectly legal to discriminate against people if they follow a religion that breaks our laws - which Islam does on many counts. He has and he has categorically said "it is not illegal to seek asylum in any country by any means". Look it up. Nobody is accusing us of attempting to kill the asylum seekers, you still do not seem to understand the point. It is the language being used by our government to describe people fleeing oppression, torture and war that is being compared, criminals, cannibalising, illegals, destroying our culture, invasion, jetting refugees to Rwanda in body restraints the list goes on. Thus, the Nazis referred to Jews as a “parasitic race.” In particular, they believed that Jews were parasites that were destroying the Aryan race. Does this sound familiar with the ideas, expressed on this board about asylum seekers "destroying our culture".Indeed . The Nazis also said ‘ work sets you free’ and that’s why we must never claim that having a career can make us independent. In other news "Let a hundred flowers blossom". was a slogan used during the period of approximately six weeks in the summer of 1957 when the Chinese intelligentsia were invited to criticize the political system then obtaining in Communist China. It was used a trap to flush out dissidents . Thats why we can never trust Alan Titmarsh. Please point out where Ms Braverman claimed illegal migrants were from “ parasitic races “. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 12:47:41 GMT
He has and he has categorically said "it is not illegal to seek asylum in any country by any means". Look it up. Nobody is accusing us of attempting to kill the asylum seekers, you still do not seem to understand the point. It is the language being used by our government to describe people fleeing oppression, torture and war that is being compared, criminals, cannibalising, illegals, destroying our culture, invasion, jetting refugees to Rwanda in body restraints the list goes on. Thus, the Nazis referred to Jews as a “parasitic race.” In particular, they believed that Jews were parasites that were destroying the Aryan race. Does this sound familiar with the ideas, expressed on this board about asylum seekers "destroying our culture".Indeed . The Nazis also said ‘ work sets you free’ and that’s why we must never claim that having a career can make us independent. In other news "Let a hundred flowers blossom". was a slogan used during the period of approximately six weeks in the summer of 1957 when the Chinese intelligentsia were invited to criticize the political system then obtaining in Communist China. It was used a trap to flush out dissidents . Thats why we can never trust Alan Titmarsh. Please point out where Ms Braverman claimed illegal migrants were from “ parasitic races “. The freedom they were referring to was death, were 'people' were worked until they died and starved. Braverman did not, not yet anyway, say they were from 'parasitic races' and you know I did not say she did, poor form. I am comparing the language used by the Tories and the Nazis, as well you know and your feeble attempt to 'not recognise it as such' is ridiculouse. Parasites live off a host. Cannibals live of their own. Similar is what similar is. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 12:48:38 GMT
Juvenile response. At least you didn't post a link to a blank page, to waste my time. Thanks. Do you know why they are not arrested? |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 28, 2023 12:52:44 GMT
Juvenile response. At least you didn't post a link to a blank page, to waste my time. Thanks. Do you know why they are not arrested? Wokeism dead nag. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 28, 2023 13:47:33 GMT
Indeed . The Nazis also said ‘ work sets you free’ and that’s why we must never claim that having a career can make us independent. In other news "Let a hundred flowers blossom". was a slogan used during the period of approximately six weeks in the summer of 1957 when the Chinese intelligentsia were invited to criticize the political system then obtaining in Communist China. It was used a trap to flush out dissidents . Thats why we can never trust Alan Titmarsh. Please point out where Ms Braverman claimed illegal migrants were from “ parasitic races “. The freedom they were referring to was death, were 'people' were worked until they died and starved. Braverman did not, not yet anyway, say they were from 'parasitic races' and you know I did not say she did, poor form. I am comparing the language used by the Tories and the Nazis, as well you know and your feeble attempt to 'not recognise it as such' is ridiculouse. Parasites live off a host. Cannibals live of their own. Similar is what similar is. That went over your head didn’t it? You posted ( in big font) Nazi rhetoric (that no one said )to falsely link it to rhetoric regarding uncontrolled and illegal immigration. My post just highlighted how ridiculous and dishonest your lame attempts at finding a way to squeeze in the Godwin law fallacy are. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 28, 2023 13:52:16 GMT
That's a good question and I don't know why Sir Mark Rowley hasn't been asked it. He wouldn't have an answer. But The comparison with Hitler's treatment of Jews is inappropriate. For a start we're not trying to kill the boat migrants. The trouble here is that the English language has been abused so much that it's hard to talk rationally about it. Muslims are not a "race" of course, but Jews are also not technically a separate race - they're part of the white race, though I suspect Hitler regarded them as a separate race. The rule of law (in the UK) is that people cannot be discriminated against because of their religion (a protected characteristic). But you can criticise a religion as we scrapped the law against blasphemy some years ago. So we can't ban muslim immigration - and neither can the USA. Trump plainly wanted to stop muslim immigration but it would violate the American Constitution so instead he tried to ban immigration from countries that sponsor terrorism - which is pretty much the same thing. But I think the courts struck that down too - in fact Obama also tried to do this. So Jenrick talks about damaging "cultural cohesiveness" and importing "different lifestyles" when what he means is that we don't want muslims because Islam is incompatible with a tolerant society - but that would be an offence. It's an anomaly in the law that people are free to follow a religion even if its beliefs are toxic (and deeply racist) but if a person has an ideology that he doesn't like people who follow Islam (because of their beliefs) he can be arrested for discriminating against people for a protected characteristic. Which makes no sense. My personal opinion is that beliefs (religious or not) should not be a protected characteristic. It should be perfectly legal to discriminate against people if they follow a religion that breaks our laws - which Islam does on many counts. He has and he has categorically said "it is not illegal to seek asylum in any country by any means". Look it up. Nobody is accusing us of attempting to kill the asylum seekers, you still do not seem to understand the point. It is the language being used by our government to describe people fleeing oppression, torture and war that is being compared, criminals, cannibalising, illegals, destroying our culture, invasion, jetting refugees to Rwanda in body restraints the list goes on. Thus, the Nazis referred to Jews as a “parasitic race.” In particular, they believed that Jews were parasites that were destroying the Aryan race. Does this sound familiar with the ideas, expressed on this board about asylum seekers "destroying our culture".Have you not got to grips with the importance of numbers in any such situation. A little water is a blessing and a necessity. Once it gets out of control it becomes a flood and can cause immense damage. No one is saying that there is any parasitic race but they are saying there is most decidedly a culture clash as the prison population shows only too clearly. The prisons are not over crowded with all ethnic minorities but they do seem to be over represented with some ethnic minorities. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 14:15:22 GMT
Nobody is accusing us of attempting to kill the asylum seekers, you still do not seem to understand the point. It is the language being used by our government to describe people fleeing oppression, torture and war that is being compared, The biggest group of asylum seekers crossing the Channel last year were from Albania - this year its people from India. Neither of which are known for oppression, torture and war - India being quite a popular holiday destination. You do know that we did a deal with those countries to send them back. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 14:16:33 GMT
Do you know why they are not arrested? Wokeism dead nag. Ah, that explains everything then.😒 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 14:18:59 GMT
The freedom they were referring to was death, were 'people' were worked until they died and starved. Braverman did not, not yet anyway, say they were from 'parasitic races' and you know I did not say she did, poor form. I am comparing the language used by the Tories and the Nazis, as well you know and your feeble attempt to 'not recognise it as such' is ridiculouse. Parasites live off a host. Cannibals live of their own. Similar is what similar is. That went over your head didn’t it? You posted ( in big font) Nazi rhetoric (that no one said )to falsely link it to rhetoric regarding uncontrolled and illegal immigration. My post just highlighted how ridiculous and dishonest your lame attempts at finding a way to squeeze in the Godwin law fallacy are. So you see no similarity between 'parasitic' and 'cannibalise'? When I was younger I used to wonder why the 'normal' German people allowed the Nazis do what they did, I fully understand now. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 14:19:58 GMT
He has and he has categorically said "it is not illegal to seek asylum in any country by any means". Look it up. Nobody is accusing us of attempting to kill the asylum seekers, you still do not seem to understand the point. It is the language being used by our government to describe people fleeing oppression, torture and war that is being compared, criminals, cannibalising, illegals, destroying our culture, invasion, jetting refugees to Rwanda in body restraints the list goes on. Thus, the Nazis referred to Jews as a “parasitic race.” In particular, they believed that Jews were parasites that were destroying the Aryan race. Does this sound familiar with the ideas, expressed on this board about asylum seekers "destroying our culture".Have you not got to grips with the importance of numbers in any such situation. A little water is a blessing and a necessity. Once it gets out of control it becomes a flood and can cause immense damage. No one is saying that there is any parasitic race but they are saying there is most decidedly a culture clash as the prison population shows only too clearly. The prisons are not over crowded with all ethnic minorities but they do seem to be over represented with some ethnic minorities. Just a cannibalistic one, what is the difference? |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 28, 2023 14:25:43 GMT
That went over your head didn’t it? You posted ( in big font) Nazi rhetoric (that no one said )to falsely link it to rhetoric regarding uncontrolled and illegal immigration. My post just highlighted how ridiculous and dishonest your lame attempts at finding a way to squeeze in the Godwin law fallacy are. So you see no similarity between 'parasitic' and 'cannibalise'? When I was younger I used to wonder why the 'normal' German people allowed the Nazis do what they did, I fully understand now. I see you doing lame mental gymnastics to make a non point . I understand that when lefties read or hear any negative views on uncontrollable illegal immigration they immediately have visions of Nazis goosestepping in leather jackboots but they need to keep it to themselves . There is no parallel between the Nazi rhetoric regarding Jews and the current rhetoric regarding the negative effect of uncontrolled immigration . Its all in your head. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 28, 2023 14:49:36 GMT
Have you not got to grips with the importance of numbers in any such situation. A little water is a blessing and a necessity. Once it gets out of control it becomes a flood and can cause immense damage. No one is saying that there is any parasitic race but they are saying there is most decidedly a culture clash as the prison population shows only too clearly. The prisons are not over crowded with all ethnic minorities but they do seem to be over represented with some ethnic minorities. Just a cannibalistic one, what is the difference? Which race is being called a cannibalistic one? |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 28, 2023 15:11:22 GMT
Indeed . The Nazis also said ‘ work sets you free’ and that’s why we must never claim that having a career can make us independent. In other news "Let a hundred flowers blossom". was a slogan used during the period of approximately six weeks in the summer of 1957 when the Chinese intelligentsia were invited to criticize the political system then obtaining in Communist China. It was used a trap to flush out dissidents . Thats why we can never trust Alan Titmarsh. Please point out where Ms Braverman claimed illegal migrants were from “ parasitic races “. The freedom they were referring to was death, were 'people' were worked until they died and starved. Braverman did not, not yet anyway, say they were from 'parasitic races' and you know I did not say she did, poor form. I am comparing the language used by the Tories and the Nazis, as well you know and your feeble attempt to 'not recognise it as such' is ridiculouse. Parasites live off a host. Cannibals live of their own. Similar is what similar is. But to cannibalise something is not the same thing. It is a verb that can have a different meaning and that meaning is clear with the context, but then it is to be expected that some will claim otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 15:19:19 GMT
So you see no similarity between 'parasitic' and 'cannibalise'? When I was younger I used to wonder why the 'normal' German people allowed the Nazis do what they did, I fully understand now. I see you doing lame mental gymnastics to make a non point . I understand that when lefties read or hear any negative views on uncontrollable illegal immigration they immediately have visions of Nazis goosestepping in leather jackboots but they need to keep it to themselves . There is no parallel between the Nazi rhetoric regarding Jews and the current rhetoric regarding the negative effect of uncontrolled immigration . Its all in your head. Tell me then what is the difference between 'Parasitic' and 'cannibalistic'? |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 28, 2023 15:24:32 GMT
I see you doing lame mental gymnastics to make a non point . I understand that when lefties read or hear any negative views on uncontrollable illegal immigration they immediately have visions of Nazis goosestepping in leather jackboots but they need to keep it to themselves . There is no parallel between the Nazi rhetoric regarding Jews and the current rhetoric regarding the negative effect of uncontrolled immigration . Its all in your head. Tell me then what is the difference between 'Parasitic' and 'cannibalistic'? Work sets you free. Do you deny that it was a Nazi slogan? Therefore it must have a sinister meaning , right? You are pursuing a semantic argument to nowhere. |
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