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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 23, 2023 16:53:00 GMT
The sad part is, there was and still are decent MPs in the Labour party, unfortunately none of them are on the front benches, Labour have never wanted the image of the stuffy man dressed in a shirt, tie and bowler hat, ..we get that. However who are they trying to attract, l are they going down the route of canvassing in leggings, full leathers, flowery dresses and bovver boots (and that's just the men), what voter is Labour actually trying to attract?
Where I live they'd slam the door in their faces if they weren't dressed accordingly, call it snobby, call it old fashioned, but we expect our political candidates to knock on our doors, dressed appropriately for the occasion, and if they don't then they can't whinge and whine when we put our X not next to their name.
They seem to want to appeal to the already converted . The middle class pro european english in the southern suburbs. Who else is labour appealing to ?
Scot indy voters are not touching them. It was starmers mate milliband and his boss blair and brown who lost scotland , not corbyn. Scot indy voters see them as red tories and anti scottish.
What about england? Do current english brexiters trust labour and their europhile leader? I dont think so. I think they have nothing and are merely hoping they have enough people pissed off with tory and snp governments to vote for labour out of spite for those two parties rather than any shared vision of a public fully behind a labour party governed uk.
The welsh in the valleys seem to be stuck in a time warp. apart from that , im not really sure what labours core voters actually are today.Its certainly not the old working class of yesterday.
Abbots behaviour today is a reminder of the nasty lunatic fringe lurking behind the seedy hipster image starmer wants to present .
i dont think the uk could afford another bout of champagne north london socialism. Labours soft lead in the polls has been falling since the truss debacle , and recently they havent made ground in scotland with the snp binfire .
Abbots carry on today should help those polls contoniue to fall , and if starmer doesnt win big at the english local elections , then we could see more murmerings of discontent in his party with his puerile leadership.
It was quite spooky, that both you and I were just discussing how devious, underhanded Labour were, and how Starmer was thinking he could become the next and Prime Minister by doing or saying nothing. I'd only just said they had to remain 'squeaky clean' and that would be 'a tall order' for them.
The Diane Abbott saga was only just unfolding as we were sharing posts, it seems we were on the right track, and confirms we know what would happen if Starmer/Labour got into office, it appears we don't need a crystal ball.
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 23, 2023 16:59:14 GMT
Proof if ever proof were needed, that the days of people like Corbyn, Abbott and their supporters running the Labour Party are well and truly over. Abbott has shown her true colours as a "not too bright" person for suggesting that both Roma and Jews were not races of people. The Left Wing Nutters, most of whom have now departed the Labour Party were fuelled on politics of division, hatred, envy and intollerance. I am totally convinced that this will be good for the Labour Party, it will show the people of this country that Labour is determined to deal with such people, and that their influence has all but disappeared. If Abbott knows there is no way back for her, take it from me she'll be bringing others down with her, Nandy & Rayner are both still Corbynista, let's just see if Abbott drags them down with her. |
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Post by om15 on Apr 23, 2023 17:07:08 GMT
Hm, they still have David Lammy, Dawn Butler and others who are determined to stir up the racist pot for their own purposes.
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 17:09:21 GMT
Hm, they still have David Lammy, Dawn Butler and others who are determined to stir up the racist pot for their own purposes. not according to sidfiddler , who tells me they are all patriotic english wrapped in the st geroges cross .  |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 17:10:54 GMT
Proof if ever proof were needed, that the days of people like Corbyn, Abbott and their supporters running the Labour Party are well and truly over. Abbott has shown her true colours as a "not too bright" person for suggesting that both Roma and Jews were not races of people. The Left Wing Nutters, most of whom have now departed the Labour Party were fuelled on politics of division, hatred, envy and intollerance. I am totally convinced that this will be good for the Labour Party, it will show the people of this country that Labour is determined to deal with such people, and that their influence has all but disappeared. If Abbott knows there is no way back for her, take it from me she'll be bringing others down with her, Nandy & Rayner are both still Corbynista, let's just see if Abbott drags them down with her. we can but hope there is a large dose of truth in the old saying about hell having no fury like a woman scorned. Its about time that starmer got his come uppance. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 23, 2023 17:13:23 GMT
If Abbott knows there is no way back for her, take it from me she'll be bringing others down with her, Nandy & Rayner are both still Corbynista, let's just see if Abbott drags them down with her. we can but hope there is a large dose of truth in the old saying about hell having no fury like a woman scorned. Its about time that starmer got his come uppance. Absolutely, maybe the tables have turned and it will be Sunak who sits back and says or does nothing to win the next General Election. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 17:15:23 GMT
Proof if ever proof were needed, that the days of people like Corbyn, Abbott and their supporters running the Labour Party are well and truly over. Abbott has shown her true colours as a "not too bright" person for suggesting that both Roma and Jews were not races of people. The Left Wing Nutters, most of whom have now departed the Labour Party were fuelled on politics of division, hatred, envy and intollerance. I am totally convinced that this will be good for the Labour Party, it will show the people of this country that Labour is determined to deal with such people, and that their influence has all but disappeared. what disturbs me about your posts is the fact you seem to think its great abbot has had the whip removed and hope that starmer can gain out of it rather than showing any concern that a prominent labour mp could possibly be anti semitic.
I thought labour and its minions were all for standing up for the poor and oppressed and those facing prejudice?
You couldnt give a fuck about the jews or anyone else sid , never mind the uk. All you want to do is polish the turd that is keir starmer and new labour for the sake of labour taking power at all costs.
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 23, 2023 17:16:34 GMT
Proof if ever proof were needed, that the days of people like Corbyn, Abbott and their supporters running the Labour Party are well and truly over. Abbott has shown her true colours as a "not too bright" person for suggesting that both Roma and Jews were not races of people. The Left Wing Nutters, most of whom have now departed the Labour Party were fuelled on politics of division, hatred, envy and intollerance. I am totally convinced that this will be good for the Labour Party, it will show the people of this country that Labour is determined to deal with such people, and that their influence has all but disappeared. what disturbs me about your posts is the fact you seem to think its great abbot has had the whip removed and hope that starmer can gain out of it rather than showing any concern that a prominent labour mp could possibly be anti semitic.
I thought labour and its minions were all for standing up for the poor and oppressed and those facing prejudice?
You couldnt give a fuck about the jews or anyone else sid , never mind the uk. All you want to do is polish the turd that is keir starmer and new labour for the sake of labour taking power at all costs.
Well said Tom. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 23, 2023 17:18:34 GMT
Proof if ever proof were needed, that the days of people like Corbyn, Abbott and their supporters running the Labour Party are well and truly over. Abbott has shown her true colours as a "not too bright" person for suggesting that both Roma and Jews were not races of people. The Left Wing Nutters, most of whom have now departed the Labour Party were fuelled on politics of division, hatred, envy and intollerance. I am totally convinced that this will be good for the Labour Party, it will show the people of this country that Labour is determined to deal with such people, and that their influence has all but disappeared. what disturbs me about your posts is the fact you seem to think its great abbot has had the whip removed and hope that starmer can gain out of it rather than showing any concern that a prominent labour mp could possibly be anti semitic.
I thought labour and its minions were all for standing up for the poor and oppressed and those facing prejudice?
You couldnt give a fuck about the jews or anyone else sid , never mind the uk. All you want to do is polish the turd that is keir starmer and new labour for the sake of labour taking power at all costs.
LOL quick mention the NHS Sid. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 17:49:30 GMT
Proof if ever proof were needed, that the days of people like Corbyn, Abbott and their supporters running the Labour Party are well and truly over. Abbott has shown her true colours as a "not too bright" person for suggesting that both Roma and Jews were not races of people. The Left Wing Nutters, most of whom have now departed the Labour Party were fuelled on politics of division, hatred, envy and intollerance. I am totally convinced that this will be good for the Labour Party, it will show the people of this country that Labour is determined to deal with such people, and that their influence has all but disappeared. what disturbs me about your posts is the fact you seem to think its great abbot has had the whip removed and hope that starmer can gain out of it rather than showing any concern that a prominent labour mp could possibly be anti semitic.
I thought labour and its minions were all for standing up for the poor and oppressed and those facing prejudice?
You couldnt give a fuck about the jews or anyone else sid , never mind the uk. All you want to do is polish the turd that is keir starmer and new labour for the sake of labour taking power at all costs.
not only can you not stop yourself from been insulting and revert to using foul language, but you also assume a lot without any basis or evidence. Until today, no body had even the slightest notion or evidence that Abbott held such views about Jews, and I have absolutely no doubt what so ever, that had she indicated or espoused such views, she would have been suspended from the Labour Party. All I know is that Abbott represents the kind of Labour Party which is unelectable, she has other nutty, fringe views, and supports a Labour leader who led the party to a humiliating defeat - and this time she has gone too far and tripped up over herself. I am married to a foreign born woman who is not a Christian, I am the least likely person on this board to be racist in any way, shape or form. I utterly deplore anti semitism, just as I deplore ALL forms of racism. I would say that you assume far too much. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 23, 2023 17:57:05 GMT
what disturbs me about your posts is the fact you seem to think its great abbot has had the whip removed and hope that starmer can gain out of it rather than showing any concern that a prominent labour mp could possibly be anti semitic.
I thought labour and its minions were all for standing up for the poor and oppressed and those facing prejudice?
You couldnt give a fuck about the jews or anyone else sid , never mind the uk. All you want to do is polish the turd that is keir starmer and new labour for the sake of labour taking power at all costs.
not only can you not stop yourself from been insulting and revert to using foul language, but you also assume a lot without any basis or evidence. Until today, no body had even the slightest notion or evidence that Abbott held such views about Jews, and I have absolutely no doubt what so ever, that had she indicated or espoused such views, she would have been suspended from the Labour Party. All I know is that Abbott represents the kind of Labour Party which is unelectable, she has other nutty, fringe views, and supports a Labour leader who led the party to a humiliating defeat - and this time she has gone too far and tripped up over herself. I am married to a foreign born woman who is not a Christian, I am the least likely person on this board to be racist in any way, shape or form. I utterly deplore anti semitism, just as I deplore ALL forms of racism. I would say that you assume far too much. You're not being honest, it's called guilty by association, do you honestly believe for one minute that Diane Abbott would worship the ground that Corbyn walks on if she didn't hold his beliefs and following.
If you didn't have the 'slightest notion' that Abbott was anti semitism, then we have to conclude one of two things, you are naive beyond belief, or a liar.
thomas has every right to call you out, you either want us to believe you are totally stupid or a liar, or maybe even both.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 23, 2023 18:09:38 GMT
what disturbs me about your posts is the fact you seem to think its great abbot has had the whip removed and hope that starmer can gain out of it rather than showing any concern that a prominent labour mp could possibly be anti semitic.
I thought labour and its minions were all for standing up for the poor and oppressed and those facing prejudice?
You couldnt give a fuck about the jews or anyone else sid , never mind the uk. All you want to do is polish the turd that is keir starmer and new labour for the sake of labour taking power at all costs.
not only can you not stop yourself from been insulting and revert to using foul language, but you also assume a lot without any basis or evidence. Until today, no body had even the slightest notion or evidence that Abbott held such views about Jews, and I have absolutely no doubt what so ever, that had she indicated or espoused such views, she would have been suspended from the Labour Party. All I know is that Abbott represents the kind of Labour Party which is unelectable, she has other nutty, fringe views, and supports a Labour leader who led the party to a humiliating defeat - and this time she has gone too far and tripped up over herself. I am married to a foreign born woman who is not a Christian, I am the least likely person on this board to be racist in any way, shape or form. I utterly deplore anti semitism, just as I deplore ALL forms of racism. I would say that you assume far too much. As far as I can see she is only repeating what many in her party have been saying for years in that only black and other coloured people that suffer racism and everyone else suffers prejudice. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 23, 2023 18:13:30 GMT
We shouldn’t celebrate this imo. Abbott should of been able to say this without being cancelled.
The lefty woke taboo spectrum is getting thinner and less tolerant .
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Post by borchester on Apr 23, 2023 18:15:31 GMT
She hasnt always been this unhinged, i put it down to her brains being fried by substances. This is as bad as the Ku Klux Klan, race hate of the worst kind, which will be ignored, black hating white is ok. ive given diane abbot the benefit of the doubt in the past , in terms of the comments being constantly directed at her as being a tad unfair. This is inexcusable though.
Why would any sensible person that is either a labour supporter or politician( i know i know) touch the subject of jewish people wth a bargepole in light of labour achillies heel of recent years regarding anti semitism?
It makes no sense.
Some people are trying to spin this as a victory for starmer clearing out the old lefty guard , but this will cause him problems at the ballot box with the left wing vote. I suspect labour will drop a few more percentage points in the polls in the coming days.
Possibly Tommy, but there is not that much of a left wing to worry about and Sir Stodge probably expects to make up the difference (plus a bit extra) from the middle and right.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 23, 2023 18:20:13 GMT
We shouldn’t celebrate this imo. Abbott should of been able to say this without being cancelled. The lefty woke taboo spectrum is getting thinner and less tolerant . Of course she should. The point about Abbott, and many others on the left is the hypocrisy that accompanies their utterings. |
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