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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 23, 2023 15:18:47 GMT
Well no doubt we haven't seen or heard the last of her, like all washed out politicians like Matt Hancock she'll no doubt be on I'm a Celebrity, or Big Brother, thankfully I don't watch either. im crying here. Just watched a video of saddo khan , decked out in suit jacket and england top , putting a desperate boot into diane abbot.
With friends like that in the labour party who needs enemies?
'I was sickened to read the letter... her comments are unacceptable - to diminish the anti-semitism Jewish people face today beggars belief.'
Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, reacts to Diane Abbott's suspension following her letter in the observer on racism.
Lying Khant.
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 15:22:36 GMT
im crying here. Just watched a video of saddo khan , decked out in suit jacket and england top , putting a desperate boot into diane abbot.
With friends like that in the labour party who needs enemies?
'I was sickened to read the letter... her comments are unacceptable - to diminish the anti-semitism Jewish people face today beggars belief.'
Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, reacts to Diane Abbott's suspension following her letter in the observer on racism.
Lying Khant.
I read saddo khan was one of the labor politicians who nominated jeremy corbyn for leader , supported by his then dear friend diane abbot. Now he is distancing himself desperately from both abbot and corbyn.
Like i said , with friends like that who needs enemies?
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 23, 2023 15:32:10 GMT
Well this is a first for me, I agree with Khan, at least he's had the balls to comment, we'll have the likes of Starmer/Rayer and the rest of them indirectly condemning her without actually saying as much, the Skeleton's in the cupboard are coming out a lot quicker than I anticipated. labour never cease to make me laugh. i imagine starmer is desperately trying to brush the latest gaff by one of the party under the carpet.
How much of that soft polling lead will be taking a hit i wonder?
If starmer , and mandelson have any sense they wont let rayner anywhere near a microphone for the next 18 months.
Rayner is a Labour liability, If they want any chance of winning the GE she has to blend somewhere in the background.
In the 2019 elections she was canvassing for Labour and to quote ... 'in her leggings, and bovver boots', fair enough you should be able to wear what you want without being judged, but unfortunately when you are trying to promote your political party into office, and you are the deputy leader dressed in leggings and bovver boots, it sort of gives the wrong impression.
Rayner is best just licking the envelopes behind a desk if Labour stand any chance of winning the next GE.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Apr 23, 2023 15:50:35 GMT
As a Black person it is reasonable for her to think of racism as being something that White people subject Black people to. The Holocaust was caused by a dispute between ethnically different White people ... therefore she had no reason to mention it. In my experience Black people, even educated Black people, noticeably lack knowledge of, are not as aware of the details of the Holocaust as white people are. It's something that White people did to each other. One shouldn't expect Black people to be as interested in, have knowledge of, the goings on in Europe during the times when they were being persecuted in their own countries by all factions of the White race. The focus of her thinking when she wrote the letter was White on Black racism. Black people shouldn't be expected to absorb themselves in European history.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 23, 2023 15:51:34 GMT
As a Black person it is reasonable for her to think of racism as being something that White people subject Black people to. The Holocaust was caused by a dispute between ethnically different White people ... therefore she had no reason to mention it. In my experience Black people, even educated Black people, noticeably lack knowledge of, are not as aware of the details of the Holocaust as white people are. It's something that White people did to each other. One shouldn't expect Black people to be as interested in, have knowledge of, the goings on in Europe during the times when they were being persecuted in their own countries by all factions of the White race. The focus of her thinking when she wrote the letter was White on Black racism. Black people shouldn't be expected to absorb themselves in European history. Bollocks. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 15:53:41 GMT
labour never cease to make me laugh. i imagine starmer is desperately trying to brush the latest gaff by one of the party under the carpet.
How much of that soft polling lead will be taking a hit i wonder?
If starmer , and mandelson have any sense they wont let rayner anywhere near a microphone for the next 18 months.
Rayner is a Labour liability, If they want any chance of winning the GE she has to blend somewhere in the background.
In the 2019 elections she was canvassing for Labour and to quote ... 'in her leggings, and bovver boots', fair enough you should be able to wear what you want without being judged, but unfortunately when you are trying to promote your political party into office, and you are the deputy leader dressed in leggings and bovver boots, it sort of gives the wrong impression.
Rayner is best just licking the envelopes behind a desk if Labour stand any chance of winning the next GE.
lol. I must admit the little i have seen of angela rayner has deeply unimpressed me. We want angela though on TV as often as possible , along with the scottish branch clowns like sarwar and baillie. Im still laughing at the saddiq khan interview earlier.
Fucking brilliant .
To think this is the political cream of modern britian ? Labour for all their faults once had many impressive politicians on their books. I cant think of a single one that currently impresses me in any way.
To paraphrase an old quote i read about labour in one of tam devines books on scottish history , thinking specifically about labour putting the boot into sister abbot today , a sigh ran down the labour front benches looking for a spine to run up.
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 15:58:44 GMT
As a Black person it is reasonable for her to think of racism as being something that White people subject Black people to. The Holocaust was caused by a dispute between ethnically different White people ... therefore she had no reason to mention it. In my experience Black people, even educated Black people, noticeably lack knowledge of, are not as aware of the details of the Holocaust as white people are. It's something that White people did to each other. One shouldn't expect Black people to be as interested in, have knowledge of, the goings on in Europe during the times when they were being persecuted in their own countries by all factions of the White race. The focus of her thinking when she wrote the letter was White on Black racism. Black people shouldn't be expected to absorb themselves in European history. i have to say i agree with the squeezed middle in that this sounds like diversionary bollocks to me.
The bottom line is once again the labour party , the great defenders of truth and justice and all that is right have a massive problem with anti semitic prejudice in their party.
Even if as you say she is pig ignorant on history , surely someone with half a brain would keep their gubs shut in light of the anti semitism problems labour have had over the past decade?
There is a difference between jumping on the latest lefty crusade and waving the flag of palestine , and pig ignorant comments against a backdrop of a party that apologised and paid out a six fugure sum for anti semitism ?
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 16:08:22 GMT
It’s not as if Ms Abbott hasn’t had her entire political career – much of it concerned with anti-racism, much of it blighted by racism – to arrive at a clear view on what she means by those terms.
The only remotely plausible way of reading this situation is that she has indeed arrived at a clear view, and that it is the one set out in her published letter: that racism is a privileged category of prejudice that only applies to black and brown people, and that – as argued in David Baddiel’s stinging recent book – Jews (and gypsies and Irish people, as whites or white-passing people) don’t count. This wasn’t an unfortunate error of phrasing, or a regrettable ambiguity that would have been ironed out in a careful re-draft. It was the crystal-clear expression of that view, backed up with historical examples which took the Jim Crow South and Apartheid South Africa as the defining paradigms of racism but found no place in the mental map for 1940s Germany.
For a long time, I suspected that buried racism was behind the widely held view that Dianne Abbott is as thick as mince. No longer. You do not, under any circumstances, gotta hand it to her.
Labour and abbot being slaughtered across the media and online
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 23, 2023 16:11:04 GMT
Rayner is a Labour liability, If they want any chance of winning the GE she has to blend somewhere in the background.
In the 2019 elections she was canvassing for Labour and to quote ... 'in her leggings, and bovver boots', fair enough you should be able to wear what you want without being judged, but unfortunately when you are trying to promote your political party into office, and you are the deputy leader dressed in leggings and bovver boots, it sort of gives the wrong impression.
Rayner is best just licking the envelopes behind a desk if Labour stand any chance of winning the next GE.
lol. I must admit the little i have seen of angela rayner has deeply unimpressed me. We want angela though on TV as often as possible , along with the scottish branch clowns like sarwar and baillie. Im still laughing at the saddiq khan interview earlier.
Fucking brilliant .
To think this is the political cream of modern britian ? Labour for all their faults once had many impressive politicians on their books. I cant think of a single one that currently impresses me in any way.
To paraphrase an old quote i read about labour in one of tam devines books on scottish history , thinking specifically about labour putting the boot into sister abbot today , a sigh ran down the labour front benches looking for a spine to run up.
The sad part is, there was and still are decent MPs in the Labour party, unfortunately none of them are on the front benches, Labour have never wanted the image of the stuffy man dressed in a shirt, tie and bowler hat, ..we get that. However who are they trying to attract, l are they going down the route of canvassing in leggings, full leathers, flowery dresses and bovver boots (and that's just the men), what voter is Labour actually trying to attract?
Where I live they'd slam the door in their faces if they weren't dressed accordingly, call it snobby, call it old fashioned, but we expect our political candidates to knock on our doors, dressed appropriately for the occasion, and if they don't then they can't whinge and whine when we put our X not next to their name.
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 23, 2023 16:20:01 GMT
As a Black person it is reasonable for her to think of racism as being something that White people subject Black people to. The Holocaust was caused by a dispute between ethnically different White people ... therefore she had no reason to mention it. In my experience Black people, even educated Black people, noticeably lack knowledge of, are not as aware of the details of the Holocaust as white people are. It's something that White people did to each other. One shouldn't expect Black people to be as interested in, have knowledge of, the goings on in Europe during the times when they were being persecuted in their own countries by all factions of the White race. The focus of her thinking when she wrote the letter was White on Black racism. Black people shouldn't be expected to absorb themselves in European history. But it's OK that we are expected to absorb ourselves in black history? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 23, 2023 16:24:22 GMT
As a Black person it is reasonable for her to think of racism as being something that White people subject Black people to. The Holocaust was caused by a dispute between ethnically different White people ... therefore she had no reason to mention it. In my experience Black people, even educated Black people, noticeably lack knowledge of, are not as aware of the details of the Holocaust as white people are. It's something that White people did to each other. One shouldn't expect Black people to be as interested in, have knowledge of, the goings on in Europe during the times when they were being persecuted in their own countries by all factions of the White race. The focus of her thinking when she wrote the letter was White on Black racism. Black people shouldn't be expected to absorb themselves in European history. But it's OK that we are expected to absorb ourselves in black history? There's a new word now, it's called 'Blackwashing', meaning 'White' historic figures in history are being replaced with black people, latest uproar is Queen Cleopatra, is going to be depicted as black in a new Netflix series, needless to say Netflix had to suspend the open public 'comment section' because they didn't mince their words at their utter outrage. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 16:38:17 GMT
lol. I must admit the little i have seen of angela rayner has deeply unimpressed me. We want angela though on TV as often as possible , along with the scottish branch clowns like sarwar and baillie. Im still laughing at the saddiq khan interview earlier.
Fucking brilliant .
To think this is the political cream of modern britian ? Labour for all their faults once had many impressive politicians on their books. I cant think of a single one that currently impresses me in any way.
To paraphrase an old quote i read about labour in one of tam devines books on scottish history , thinking specifically about labour putting the boot into sister abbot today , a sigh ran down the labour front benches looking for a spine to run up.
The sad part is, there was and still are decent MPs in the Labour party, unfortunately none of them are on the front benches, Labour have never wanted the image of the stuffy man dressed in a shirt, tie and bowler hat, ..we get that. However who are they trying to attract, l are they going down the route of canvassing in leggings, full leathers, flowery dresses and bovver boots (and that's just the men), what voter is Labour actually trying to attract?
Where I live they'd slam the door in their faces if they weren't dressed accordingly, call it snobby, call it old fashioned, but we expect our political candidates to knock on our doors, dressed appropriately for the occasion, and if they don't then they can't whinge and whine when we put our X not next to their name.
They seem to want to appeal to the already converted . The middle class pro european english in the southern suburbs. Who else is labour appealing to ?
Scot indy voters are not touching them. It was starmers mate milliband and his boss blair and brown who lost scotland , not corbyn. Scot indy voters see them as red tories and anti scottish.
What about england? Do current english brexiters trust labour and their europhile leader? I dont think so. I think they have nothing and are merely hoping they have enough people pissed off with tory and snp governments to vote for labour out of spite for those two parties rather than any shared vision of a public fully behind a labour party governed uk.
The welsh in the valleys seem to be stuck in a time warp. apart from that , im not really sure what labours core voters actually are today.Its certainly not the old working class of yesterday.
Abbots behaviour today is a reminder of the nasty lunatic fringe lurking behind the seedy hipster image starmer wants to present .
i dont think the uk could afford another bout of champagne north london socialism. Labours soft lead in the polls has been falling since the truss debacle , and recently they havent made ground in scotland with the snp binfire .
Abbots carry on today should help those polls contoniue to fall , and if starmer doesnt win big at the english local elections , then we could see more murmerings of discontent in his party with his puerile leadership.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Apr 23, 2023 16:48:02 GMT
As a Black person it is reasonable for her to think of racism as being something that White people subject Black people to. The Holocaust was caused by a dispute between ethnically different White people ... therefore she had no reason to mention it. In my experience Black people, even educated Black people, noticeably lack knowledge of, are not as aware of the details of the Holocaust as white people are. It's something that White people did to each other. One shouldn't expect Black people to be as interested in, have knowledge of, the goings on in Europe during the times when they were being persecuted in their own countries by all factions of the White race. The focus of her thinking when she wrote the letter was White on Black racism. Black people shouldn't be expected to absorb themselves in European history. But it's OK that we are expected to absorb ourselves in black history? In 1911 British troops marched into the capital of the last remaining independent State in Nigeria and kidnapped their Priest King and members of his government. In 2011 their descendants here in the UK caused a spate of mysterious computer system failures. The authorities thought that it might have been done by anarchist hackers intent on disrupting the Olympics. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 16:49:14 GMT
Proof if ever proof were needed, that the days of people like Corbyn, Abbott and their supporters running the Labour Party are well and truly over.
Abbott has shown her true colours as a "not too bright" person for suggesting that both Roma and Jews were not races of people.
The Left Wing Nutters, most of whom have now departed the Labour Party were fuelled on politics of division, hatred, envy and intollerance.
I am totally convinced that this will be good for the Labour Party, it will show the people of this country that Labour is determined to deal with such people, and that their influence has all but disappeared.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 23, 2023 16:50:52 GMT
If I recall that was modelled on and voiced by Hattie MacDaniel who was also the maid in its a Wonderful Life. Wrong on both counts, I'm afraid. The actor providing both the Tom & Jerry vo and playing "Annie" - the Bailey's Maid - was the terrific Lillian Randolph. (I've introduced our cinema's screening of It's a Wonderful Life every Xmas Eve for 16 years. There's not much trivia about that movie I haven't got rattling around..) I stand corrected and my recall is obviously flawed. Thanks for that. |
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