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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 12:36:41 GMT
So your idea is that they should work, no matter what, on the terms and conditions that are not acceptable? 500 people a week are dying because they cannot access the care they need because of Tory cuts. It's partly because people like you want to keep flooding this country with more and more people, which is unsustainable. We've been telling this to people like you for years, but all you do is respond with accusations of racism, even when other countries tell us that our system is just too inviting to those who believe everything is free on delivery in this country.
I feel for the doctors, but at the same time many of them work in private practices whilst earning extra bob in the NHS - an institution that was never designed for this level of demand, which has no incentive to work within its means. We can keep throwing money at it but the situation won't improve because demand keeps going up whilst the crooked pen pushers live a life of luxury. This is made obvious by the fact that you have no solution and will just blame The Tories.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 12:39:10 GMT
It's partly because people like you want to keep flooding this country with more and more people, which is unsustainable. We've been telling this to people like you for years, but all you do is respond with accusations of racism, even when other countries tell us that our system is just too inviting to those who believe everything is free on delivery in this country.
I feel for the doctors, but at the same time many of them work in private practices whilst earning extra bob in the NHS - an institution that was never designed for this level of demand, which has no incentive to work within its means. We can keep throwing money at it but the situation won't improve because demand keeps going up whilst the crooked pen pushers live a life of luxury. This is made obvious by the fact that you have no solution and will just blame The Tories.
Not one of our lefty woke firends have had the balls to address the fact that thanks to this unwanted influx of dross have brought Diptheria with them. But what more can we expect from those who are dead from the neck up?
Diptheria in Britain is ‘sharply’ on the rise due to small boat crossings as scientists warn dozens of new cases have nearly all been linked to ‘incoming migrants’
Most of the cases were ‘young Afghan males’ with ‘unknown vaccination history’
73 cases of the disease were recorded in England in 2022 - up from 12 last year
The fact that some of them have diphtheria should tell you that they are in need of our assistance. Or, is the use of diphtheria a 'weapon' that the invaders are bringing with them to attack our country.🤣 Get real, you tinfoil hat is slipping. 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 12:39:37 GMT
Thick as shit.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2023 12:45:49 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2023 12:47:13 GMT
Not one of our lefty woke firends have had the balls to address the fact that thanks to this unwanted influx of dross have brought Diptheria with them. But what more can we expect from those who are dead from the neck up?
Diptheria in Britain is ‘sharply’ on the rise due to small boat crossings as scientists warn dozens of new cases have nearly all been linked to ‘incoming migrants’
Most of the cases were ‘young Afghan males’ with ‘unknown vaccination history’
73 cases of the disease were recorded in England in 2022 - up from 12 last year
The fact that some of them have diphtheria should tell you that they are in need of our assistance. Or, is the use of diphtheria a 'weapon' that the invaders are bringing with them to attack our country.🤣 Get real, you tinfoil hat is slipping. 😂 Get a bloody grip dead nag. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2023 16:24:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 22:09:32 GMT
The state of the UK to anyone with half a brain is clearly down to those in charge of it these past five decades, both Labour and the Tories and the rest of the wealthy elites in charge of business, the media, the civil service and the entire elitist establishment. Collectively, they are the ones with all the power who have been responsible for everything. But of course they rely on being able to convince millions of useful idiots that it is all anybody's fault but theirs. Trade unions, welfare claimants, immigrants, the EU, so called wokeism, muslims, single parents.....anyone but those actually in charge of everything. And most of you prats go along with it and blame the people whom the ones really in charge want you to blame. Well that doesn't make sense, so what you are basically saying it's actually the governments fault that the junior doctors are on strike, it's the governments fault that a bunch of beatniks decide to disrupt people trying to go to work, hospital appoints, schools, yes lets blame the government for every imbecile in the country, it's their fault there are loony lefty woke snowflakes rotting our society. Just another brainwashed useful idiot on behalf of the ruling elites. It is because of millions like you that our country is in such a mess. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 14, 2023 7:22:25 GMT
Well that doesn't make sense, so what you are basically saying it's actually the governments fault that the junior doctors are on strike, it's the governments fault that a bunch of beatniks decide to disrupt people trying to go to work, hospital appoints, schools, yes lets blame the government for every imbecile in the country, it's their fault there are loony lefty woke snowflakes rotting our society. Just another brainwashed useful idiot on behalf of the ruling elites. It is because of millions like you that our country is in such a mess. And forums need people like you, to remind us why the country is in the state it's in, you shouldn't be let near a ballot box, even though you claim you're not voting Tory or Labour, people like you should come with a warning sign ....***Beware of the idiot*** |
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Post by see2 on Apr 14, 2023 7:41:43 GMT
A person blocking a motorway for a few hours is "destroying the UK"  Not a word about the Tories stealing billions from the public purse. I'd say grinding the UK to a halt is destroying the UK, if they aren't blocking motorways they are striking and inflicting as much misery on the public as they possibly can, why are they targeting innocent people, and you think that is fair? If they have beef with the government we have a legal system to deal with it, or better still the ballot box. IMO your single minded approach is about as far away from being "fair" as one can get. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 14, 2023 7:50:27 GMT
I'd say grinding the UK to a halt is destroying the UK, if they aren't blocking motorways they are striking and inflicting as much misery on the public as they possibly can, why are they targeting innocent people, and you think that is fair? If they have beef with the government we have a legal system to deal with it, or better still the ballot box. IMO your single minded approach is about as far away from being "fair" as one can get. Care to explain what isn't "fair" about taking out your grievance at the ballot box?. The people you punish are the people you have the beef with, so the best thing these strikers can do is make their protest mark at the ballot box at the next GE .... why punish me, you, our families, friends and neighbours, we are victims of circumstance, it's not the moral thing to do.
So what is not fair about that? You don't seem to have a clear stance on anything, you just want to nitpick posters for the sake of disagreeing, it's not very productive and you come across as a bit simple, you don't understand what's going on.
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Post by see2 on Apr 14, 2023 8:04:10 GMT
IMO your single minded approach is about as far away from being "fair" as one can get. Care to explain what isn't "fair" about taking out your grievance at the ballot box?. The people you punish are the people you have the beef with, so the best thing these strikers can do is make their protest mark at the ballot box at the next GE .... why punish me, you, our families, friends and neighbours, we are victims of circumstance, it's not the moral thing to do.
So what is not fair about that? You don't seem to have a clear stance on anything, you just want to nitpick posters for the sake of disagreeing, it's not very productive and you come across as a bit simple, you don't understand what's going on.
1. Senseless question. 2. They have the right to strike, that's democracy. But the point I make and the point you miss, is that the 'strikers' did not create this problem all by themselves. But your one-eyed approach only looks at one side of the problem, and that IMO is a long way from being fair. 3. Your inability to see beyond your own personal opinions clearly indicates that you have a closed mind, pointing that destructive tendency out is not "nit picking". |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 14, 2023 8:12:22 GMT
Care to explain what isn't "fair" about taking out your grievance at the ballot box?. The people you punish are the people you have the beef with, so the best thing these strikers can do is make their protest mark at the ballot box at the next GE .... why punish me, you, our families, friends and neighbours, we are victims of circumstance, it's not the moral thing to do.
So what is not fair about that? You don't seem to have a clear stance on anything, you just want to nitpick posters for the sake of disagreeing, it's not very productive and you come across as a bit simple, you don't understand what's going on.
1. Senseless question. 2. They have the right to strike, that's democracy. But the point I make and the point you miss, is that the 'strikers' did not create this problem all by themselves. But your one-eyed approach only looks at one side of the problem, and that IMO is a long way from being fair. 3. Your inability to see beyond your own personal opinions clearly indicates that you have a closed mind, pointing that destructive tendency out is not "nit picking". Where does it end, personally I would put clauses in to contracts for NHS workers, as with the police and fire service, ambulance, they are emergency services, paid for by the tax payers, not the government, they should be dismissed if they strike, plain and simple, and if they don't like that clause well don't get a job with them. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 14, 2023 8:24:02 GMT
1. Senseless question. 2. They have the right to strike, that's democracy. But the point I make and the point you miss, is that the 'strikers' did not create this problem all by themselves. But your one-eyed approach only looks at one side of the problem, and that IMO is a long way from being fair. 3. Your inability to see beyond your own personal opinions clearly indicates that you have a closed mind, pointing that destructive tendency out is not "nit picking". Where does it end, personally I would put clauses in to contracts for NHS workers, as with the police and fire service, ambulance, they are emergency services, paid for by the tax payers, not the government, they should be dismissed if they strike, plain and simple, and if they don't like that clause well don't get a job with them. In order to introduce such extreme measures, a method that guaranteed an annual -- non-government -- fair pay assessment and pay rise would need to be in place. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 14, 2023 8:26:36 GMT
Where does it end, personally I would put clauses in to contracts for NHS workers, as with the police and fire service, ambulance, they are emergency services, paid for by the tax payers, not the government, they should be dismissed if they strike, plain and simple, and if they don't like that clause well don't get a job with them. In order to introduce such extreme measures, a method that guaranteed an annual -- non-government -- fair pay assessment and pay rise would need to be in place. possibly, that would stop them asking for unrealistic inflation busting pay rises. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 8:27:46 GMT
At the 2010 General Election, David Cameron and the Conservatives promised not to cut spending to health and the NHS, and that spending would actually increase above inflation.
After the 2010 Spending Review, spending on the NHS rose by 0.1% in real terms, a rise, but only just, and in reality a cut in spending as compared to previous years.
FACTS: Spending on the NHS must rise by 3% in order to literally stand still and keep pace with (A) a growing population (B) an ageing population and (C) advances in medicine.
But not only did the government of Cameron and Osborne trick the electorate over NHS spending, promising to spend more, they then went on to freeze pay for doctors, nurses and other NHS staff.
The crisis within our NHS began long before the Pandemic, and the crisis is as direct result of the governments refusal to spend what is NECESSARY on our NHS, and to invest in its highly trained and highly professional staff, which are amongst the best in the world.
Its always the same under the Conservatives, they ran the NHS into the ground 1979 - 1987, it took Labour several years to repair the damage, turn around the waiting lists, recruit more staff and slash waiting times. In 2010 the satisfaction rate for the NHS was at a record high, today its the opposite.
We now sit listening to the news reader on the TV telling us that the average wait for an ambulance after dialing 999 for a suspected heart attack is now 40 minutes, and like Sheep, most people just accept it.
You dont have to accept this run down, second rate NHS, it could be like it was not that long ago, all you have to do is NOT vote Conservative.
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