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Post by oracle75 on Apr 13, 2023 16:52:35 GMT
In or out i think 6 years after the glorious revolution the people of the UK are right to expect someth8ng for their vote.
As it stands, th3re is noth8ng that is working better including a standard of living and much that is worse. There are no Brexit bonuses, no optimism, unity or energy in this new garden of Eden.
And meanwhile the children born into Brexit Britain are into their second year of mainstream schooling and being supported by food banks and school breakfast clubs.
Just how long do you think they should wait for the good times?
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Post by Vinny on Apr 13, 2023 17:07:58 GMT
Bless.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 13, 2023 17:15:16 GMT
Is Paris burning?
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Post by zanygame on Apr 13, 2023 17:59:15 GMT
Its great to see you running out of excuses. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 13, 2023 18:00:01 GMT
Is the EU doing better than the ununited kingdom. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 13, 2023 18:10:45 GMT
I repeat. Just how long should an entire country be put on hold while the rest of the western world moves ahead?
The UK is free to make its own decisions. So why has it not started to build Jerusalem? Can anyone at least point out a framework , a vision of where and how the UK will find its place and identity in the world? A direction, a goal, an idea that the UK can be proud of?
And allow the residue of disgraceful lies and behaviours of leaders of leaving the EU drift away like air pollution?
Or is it becoming clear that there is no such thing as perfect sovereignty and that in fact real freedom means having a voice in a truly global power.
Which if the UK doesnt start to fulfill its promises in 2016, will bypass at least this young generation.
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 13, 2023 18:17:20 GMT
No. It is being educated, policed, kept clean, able to cope with vehicle circulation, it is where residents can afford to live in habitable homes, and drink the water. And Where waiting times for surgery is no more than a month. The UK has a very long climb out of its stasis. It could do worse than using Paris as a model. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 13, 2023 18:21:56 GMT
No. It is being educated, policed, kept clean, able to cope with vehicle circulation, it is where residents can afford to live in habitable homes, and drink the water. And Where waiting times for surgery is no more than a month. The UK has a very long climb out of its stasis. It could do worse than using Paris as a model. I often wonder why our competing EU countries can afford to pay more for their health care with higher taxes and yet not all crumble like they claim we would. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 13, 2023 20:06:58 GMT
Because in many countries there is a mix of state cover and personal choice of cover through insurance.
So the young are covered by the state for fundamentals like heart and cancer but throughout your life you can change the cover you need by paying more or less on top of basic cover.
In the UK it is expected that everything you need is covered by the NI contribution.
The centre does not hold.
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Post by zanygame on Apr 13, 2023 20:21:32 GMT
Because in many countries there is a mix of state cover and personal choice of cover through insurance. So the young are covered by the state for fundamentals like heart and cancer but throughout your life you can change the cover you need by paying more or less on top of basic cover. In the UK it is expected that everything you need is covered by the NI contribution. The centre does not hold. That doesn't change the fact that most other first world countries pay around 2% higher tax for health, yet in the UK its claimed such an increase would block investment and break the country. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 13, 2023 21:08:16 GMT
Is the EU doing better than the ununited kingdom. In what? - rioting? |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 13, 2023 21:12:23 GMT
No. It is being educated, policed, kept clean, able to cope with vehicle circulation, it is where residents can afford to live in habitable homes, and drink the water. And Where waiting times for surgery is no more than a month. The UK has a very long climb out of its stasis. It could do worse than using Paris as a model. I often wonder why our competing EU countries can afford to pay more for their health care with higher taxes and yet not all crumble like they claim we would. Wow! - lauding healthcare in France.. next you will take the very small step to agreeing that we should have the same healthcare as France.. I'm sure you will agree that Frances model of healthcare not free at the point of use is the way forward?..  |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 13, 2023 21:14:06 GMT
Because in many countries there is a mix of state cover and personal choice of cover through insurance. So the young are covered by the state for fundamentals like heart and cancer but throughout your life you can change the cover you need by paying more or less on top of basic cover. In the UK it is expected that everything you need is covered by the NI contribution. The centre does not hold. That doesn't change the fact that most other first world countries pay around 2% higher tax for health, yet in the UK its claimed such an increase would block investment and break the country. In other first world countries where people pay more the funding follows the patient. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 13, 2023 22:00:24 GMT
Is the EU doing better than the ununited kingdom. The EU is a lot less democratic, so no, it isn't. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 13, 2023 22:03:30 GMT
No. It is being educated, policed, kept clean, able to cope with vehicle circulation, it is where residents can afford to live in habitable homes, and drink the water. And Where waiting times for surgery is no more than a month. The UK has a very long climb out of its stasis. It could do worse than using Paris as a model. I often wonder why our competing EU countries can afford to pay more for their health care with higher taxes and yet not all crumble like they claim we would. In the treaty change process they're discussing at the moment they're discussing extending the powers of the EU to healthcare. If that means incorporating healthcare into the single market, expect monopolies to be banned in accordance with TFEU101. That means privatisation will occur across the board, competition mandates, and lefties will go nuts. But hey, at least you can shop around, eh? |
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