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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2023 10:25:05 GMT
Unelected civil servants deciding on which EU laws to be scrapped? How "democratic"! Brexit fundamentalists must be ecstatic. Or maybe not -- the bill may never be passed.
Then, it was a bill to scrap the parts of the trade agreement. Now, it's a bill to scrap EU laws. Brexit fundamentalists love to scrap things, don't they? I wonder when they will start thinking about scrapping their own intransigence and fundamentalism.
Tories in retreat from Brexit bill to scrap thousands of EU laws
Story by Toby Helm, Observer Political Editor • 2h ago
Excerpts:
Ministers have begun a full-scale retreat over post-Brexit plans to ditch thousands of EU laws by the end of this year, after Tory peers warned they would join a mass cross-party revolt in the House of Lords.
The Observer can reveal that the government has dropped plans to hold the report stage of the Brexiters’ retained EU law bill in the Lords soon after Easter, apparently to prevent a row in the run-up to the local elections on 4 May and to allow it time to consider a list of likely concessions to rebels.
While such a climbdown risks angering hardline Tory Brexiters, including the bill’s original champion, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the extent of opposition to it from business, environmental groups, unions and Brussels has left ministers with no option but to consider delay, and moving to a scaled-down and less hurried version.
No new dates have been set for the report stage and peers now believe the much-criticised bill could be put back by months and possibly beyond the next general election.
Under the bill’s provisions, more than 4,000 EU laws kept on the UK statute book after Brexit to ensure continuity would be automatically scrapped at the end of this year, unless ministers decide that there should be exemptions.
A key complaint is the way it would cut both houses of parliament out of decisions on which EU laws should be ditched, ceding that power to unelected civil servants and ministers. This is despite the fact that Rees-Mogg and his fellow Brexiters said that leaving the EU would be a way of restoring sovereignty to parliament.
While Tory and other peers are keen not to be seen to be conducting their arguments in public...another source in the Lords said: “The penny has dropped with No 10. There is a recognition that unless they make concessions they are in ‘baby out with the bathwater’ territory. They will be causing legal chaos on many fronts for the sake of pleasing Rees-Mogg and the Tory right.”
Concern has also been rising within government departments over the amount of civil service time that the bill has been taking and, more recently, the way the legal fallout could complicate Rishi Sunak’s recently signed Windsor framework deal with Brussels on the operation of the Northern Ireland protocol.
Senior figures in Brussels have also weighed in, saying that if environmental and other standards are allowed to fall in the UK, threatening the so-called “level playing field”, this could seriously undermine the UK’s post-Brexit trade deal with the EU and potentially lead to a trade war.
One idea understood to be under consideration is for Badenoch to announce in the coming months a list of obviously redundant EU laws that could be abolished without controversy and hail this symbolic move as proof that ministers were delivering on Brexit.
Another idea is to extend the “sunset clause” under which laws would cease to apply by at least another year, taking them beyond the likely date of the next general election, meaning the bill would in effect never come into force. Within the civil service, officials say it is inevitable that most of the EU laws will be retained.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 9, 2023 11:04:28 GMT
Unelected civil servants deciding on which EU laws to be scrapped? How "democratic"! Brexit fundamentalists must be ecstatic. Or maybe not -- the bill may never be passed. Then, it was a bill to scrap the parts of the trade agreement. Now, it's a bill to scrap EU laws. Brexit fundamentalists love to scrap things, don't they? I wonder when they will start thinking about scrapping their own intransigence and fundamentalism. Tories in retreat from Brexit bill to scrap thousands of EU laws
Story by Toby Helm, Observer Political Editor • 2h ago
Excerpts:
Ministers have begun a full-scale retreat over post-Brexit plans to ditch thousands of EU laws by the end of this year, after Tory peers warned they would join a mass cross-party revolt in the House of Lords.
The Observer can reveal that the government has dropped plans to hold the report stage of the Brexiters’ retained EU law bill in the Lords soon after Easter, apparently to prevent a row in the run-up to the local elections on 4 May and to allow it time to consider a list of likely concessions to rebels.
While such a climbdown risks angering hardline Tory Brexiters, including the bill’s original champion, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the extent of opposition to it from business, environmental groups, unions and Brussels has left ministers with no option but to consider delay, and moving to a scaled-down and less hurried version.
No new dates have been set for the report stage and peers now believe the much-criticised bill could be put back by months and possibly beyond the next general election.
Under the bill’s provisions, more than 4,000 EU laws kept on the UK statute book after Brexit to ensure continuity would be automatically scrapped at the end of this year, unless ministers decide that there should be exemptions.
A key complaint is the way it would cut both houses of parliament out of decisions on which EU laws should be ditched, ceding that power to unelected civil servants and ministers. This is despite the fact that Rees-Mogg and his fellow Brexiters said that leaving the EU would be a way of restoring sovereignty to parliament.
While Tory and other peers are keen not to be seen to be conducting their arguments in public...another source in the Lords said: “The penny has dropped with No 10. There is a recognition that unless they make concessions they are in ‘baby out with the bathwater’ territory. They will be causing legal chaos on many fronts for the sake of pleasing Rees-Mogg and the Tory right.”
Concern has also been rising within government departments over the amount of civil service time that the bill has been taking and, more recently, the way the legal fallout could complicate Rishi Sunak’s recently signed Windsor framework deal with Brussels on the operation of the Northern Ireland protocol.
Senior figures in Brussels have also weighed in, saying that if environmental and other standards are allowed to fall in the UK, threatening the so-called “level playing field”, this could seriously undermine the UK’s post-Brexit trade deal with the EU and potentially lead to a trade war.
One idea understood to be under consideration is for Badenoch to announce in the coming months a list of obviously redundant EU laws that could be abolished without controversy and hail this symbolic move as proof that ministers were delivering on Brexit.
Another idea is to extend the “sunset clause” under which laws would cease to apply by at least another year, taking them beyond the likely date of the next general election, meaning the bill would in effect never come into force. Within the civil service, officials say it is inevitable that most of the EU laws will be retained.Some don't have to be scrapped they can be just be ignored by the UK. |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 9, 2023 12:07:09 GMT
Unelected civil servants deciding on which EU laws to be scrapped? How "democratic"! Brexit fundamentalists must be ecstatic. Or maybe not -- the bill may never be passed. Then, it was a bill to scrap the parts of the trade agreement. Now, it's a bill to scrap EU laws. Brexit fundamentalists love to scrap things, don't they? I wonder when they will start thinking about scrapping their own intransigence and fundamentalism. Tories in retreat from Brexit bill to scrap thousands of EU laws
Story by Toby Helm, Observer Political Editor • 2h ago
Excerpts:
Ministers have begun a full-scale retreat over post-Brexit plans to ditch thousands of EU laws by the end of this year, after Tory peers warned they would join a mass cross-party revolt in the House of Lords.
The Observer can reveal that the government has dropped plans to hold the report stage of the Brexiters’ retained EU law bill in the Lords soon after Easter, apparently to prevent a row in the run-up to the local elections on 4 May and to allow it time to consider a list of likely concessions to rebels.
While such a climbdown risks angering hardline Tory Brexiters, including the bill’s original champion, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the extent of opposition to it from business, environmental groups, unions and Brussels has left ministers with no option but to consider delay, and moving to a scaled-down and less hurried version.
No new dates have been set for the report stage and peers now believe the much-criticised bill could be put back by months and possibly beyond the next general election.
Under the bill’s provisions, more than 4,000 EU laws kept on the UK statute book after Brexit to ensure continuity would be automatically scrapped at the end of this year, unless ministers decide that there should be exemptions.
A key complaint is the way it would cut both houses of parliament out of decisions on which EU laws should be ditched, ceding that power to unelected civil servants and ministers. This is despite the fact that Rees-Mogg and his fellow Brexiters said that leaving the EU would be a way of restoring sovereignty to parliament.
While Tory and other peers are keen not to be seen to be conducting their arguments in public...another source in the Lords said: “The penny has dropped with No 10. There is a recognition that unless they make concessions they are in ‘baby out with the bathwater’ territory. They will be causing legal chaos on many fronts for the sake of pleasing Rees-Mogg and the Tory right.”
Concern has also been rising within government departments over the amount of civil service time that the bill has been taking and, more recently, the way the legal fallout could complicate Rishi Sunak’s recently signed Windsor framework deal with Brussels on the operation of the Northern Ireland protocol.
Senior figures in Brussels have also weighed in, saying that if environmental and other standards are allowed to fall in the UK, threatening the so-called “level playing field”, this could seriously undermine the UK’s post-Brexit trade deal with the EU and potentially lead to a trade war.
One idea understood to be under consideration is for Badenoch to announce in the coming months a list of obviously redundant EU laws that could be abolished without controversy and hail this symbolic move as proof that ministers were delivering on Brexit.
Another idea is to extend the “sunset clause” under which laws would cease to apply by at least another year, taking them beyond the likely date of the next general election, meaning the bill would in effect never come into force. Within the civil service, officials say it is inevitable that most of the EU laws will be retained.It was always tha plan to reassess those EU laws adopted by us. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 9, 2023 12:25:43 GMT
Another of Rees-Mogg's follies bites the dust. And shows the value of the House of Lords where peers from all parties were telling him to fuck right off.
Of course a lot of those laws have to go but the Moggster's 'lets just scrap all the laws even if they were laws we'd have had anyway' really just shows how what he'd really like is a return to feudal times.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 9, 2023 12:47:14 GMT
The Tory government finding a way to co exist with the EU . Ex remainers must be devastated.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 9, 2023 13:26:58 GMT
The Tory government finding a way to co exist with the EU . Ex remainers must be devastated. And they show the fact every day of their devastation....LOL....Good innit? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 9, 2023 14:16:45 GMT
The left wing pro EU civil service fighting against the Brexit bill. Who'd a thought it.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 9, 2023 15:11:25 GMT
Everyone knows the Lords is even more pro EU than the Commons.
Heseltine's in it as is Ken Clarke.
Thankfully Blair isn't.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 9, 2023 16:52:33 GMT
Everyone knows the Lords is even more pro EU than the Commons. Heseltine's in it as is Ken Clarke. Thankfully Blair isn't. Time the HOL and devulusion was abolished and we started to get our country back. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 9, 2023 23:01:20 GMT
Well that is two out of 776.
Including the stuffing of members from the last 12 years of pro Brexit comings and goings of multiple PM's.
The idea of examining hundreds of EU regulations and thoughtful recognition of the results of scrapping them would take tens of years. Replacing them to change the course of British economic and social history will take at least as long and most likely end up with a rewrite of the original laws anyway.
In the end, another Brexit lie.
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Post by Toreador on Apr 10, 2023 5:23:13 GMT
Well that is two out of 776. Including the stuffing of members from the last 12 years of pro Brexit comings and goings of multiple PM's. The idea of examining hundreds of EU regulations and thoughtful recognition of the results of scrapping them would take tens of years. Replacing them to change the course of British economic and social history will take at least as long and most likely end up with a rewrite of the original laws anyway. In the end, another Brexit lie. Via mobile eh? Were you posting your anti-Brexit borefest from under the covers? |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 10, 2023 7:15:28 GMT
The left wing pro EU civil service fighting against the Brexit bill. Who'd a thought it. Leave means leave, oh but wait. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 10, 2023 7:40:14 GMT
The left wing pro EU civil service fighting against the Brexit bill. Who'd a thought it. Leave means leave, oh but wait. Indeed. I remember Theresa May saying Brexit means Brexit, lying bitch, and Boris was just as bad. Now we have Sunak and his Windsor framework which changes absolutely nothing, the EU governs Northen Ireland because we have weak politicians. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 8:04:29 GMT
The left wing pro EU civil service fighting against the Brexit bill. Who'd a thought it. Leave means leave, oh but wait. "Oh, but wait......." -- the moment that separated Leavers from Brexit Fundamentalists. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 10, 2023 8:48:00 GMT
Leave means leave, oh but wait. "Oh, but wait......." -- the moment that separated Leavers from Brexit Fundamentalists. Look on the Brightside Gnome, how many times have they created a situation where you get to dress up and pretend. |
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