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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 20:33:28 GMT
You to have understand, to ignore a law means to break it. Whether it is sensible or not is not the point. FFS I see you missed my post on someother thread where now you can use a fuel can whithout the bullshit EUSSR safety stickers all over it..Yet some prats who own garages or filling stations still insist on the bullshit. Bullshit to you. Sensible to others. But that's not the point, is it? As I said and I am repeating it: Whether the law you ignore is sensible or not is not the point of your original response. You stated that not all laws would have to be scrapped but those retained could be ignored. Now, if laws are retained, they remain legally operable. If they are legally operable but you ignore them, then you are breaking them. You can't just blurt out something as thoughtless as "Some don't have to be scrapped they can be just be ignored by the UK." |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 10, 2023 21:18:33 GMT
Not if they are sencible.....But then some of us have the ability to ignore lefy woke BS and stupid laws from the EUSSR. Cool, I didn't realise you got to choose which laws you obey. You do when you get to vote for the people with the powers to change the laws in your favour. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2023 0:47:38 GMT
FFS I see you missed my post on someother thread where now you can use a fuel can whithout the bullshit EUSSR safety stickers all over it..Yet some prats who own garages or filling stations still insist on the bullshit. Bullshit to you. Sensible to others. But that's not the point, is it? As I said and I am repeating it: Whether the law you ignore is sensible or not is not the point of your original response. You stated that not all laws would have to be scrapped but those retained could be ignored. Now, if laws are retained, they remain legally operable. If they are legally operable but you ignore them, then you are breaking them. You can't just blurt out something as thoughtless as "Some don't have to be scrapped they can be just be ignored by the UK."Only if they are a pro EUSSR indoctrinated mindless idiot. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2023 0:55:22 GMT
It all depends on a consensus. The poll tax was widely broken because it was taken to be not sensible and the riot became the plebiscite. So, in any event, they broke the law. There is a law in the UK that was abolished by your hero Blair called the act of treason. How lucky for you Remnants the frigging lot of them do not even understand the word DEMOCRACY. You keep throwing your toys out of your pram gnomie it gives us all a bloody good laugh at you lot crying over spilt milk. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 11, 2023 5:45:37 GMT
I can choose which laws are sensible? Oh goody, I can kill right wing idiots? You don't mind killing peopl so you can drive a Lemon. Both are an attempt to save the planet 😇 |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 11, 2023 5:47:14 GMT
Cool, I didn't realise you got to choose which laws you obey. You do when you get to vote for the people with the powers to change the laws in your favour. Yes I knew you could vote. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2023 5:48:09 GMT
You don't mind killing peopl so you can drive a Lemon. 😇 From what? The likes of a snotty nosed little twat like bumburgh? |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 11, 2023 6:01:06 GMT
Both are an attempt to save the planet 😇 From what? The likes of a snotty nosed little twat like bumburgh? Whatever are you on about. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2023 6:13:01 GMT
From what? The likes of a snotty nosed little twat like bumburgh? Whatever are you on about. Get your mummy or daddy to help you. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 11, 2023 6:14:35 GMT
Unelected civil servants deciding on which EU laws to be scrapped? How "democratic"! Brexit fundamentalists must be ecstatic. Or maybe not -- the bill may never be passed. Then, it was a bill to scrap the parts of the trade agreement. Now, it's a bill to scrap EU laws. Brexit fundamentalists love to scrap things, don't they? I wonder when they will start thinking about scrapping their own intransigence and fundamentalism. Tories in retreat from Brexit bill to scrap thousands of EU laws
Story by Toby Helm, Observer Political Editor • 2h ago
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Ministers have begun a full-scale retreat over post-Brexit plans to ditch thousands of EU laws by the end of this year, after Tory peers warned they would join a mass cross-party revolt in the House of Lords.
The Observer can reveal that the government has dropped plans to hold the report stage of the Brexiters’ retained EU law bill in the Lords soon after Easter, apparently to prevent a row in the run-up to the local elections on 4 May and to allow it time to consider a list of likely concessions to rebels.
While such a climbdown risks angering hardline Tory Brexiters, including the bill’s original champion, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the extent of opposition to it from business, environmental groups, unions and Brussels has left ministers with no option but to consider delay, and moving to a scaled-down and less hurried version.
No new dates have been set for the report stage and peers now believe the much-criticised bill could be put back by months and possibly beyond the next general election.
Under the bill’s provisions, more than 4,000 EU laws kept on the UK statute book after Brexit to ensure continuity would be automatically scrapped at the end of this year, unless ministers decide that there should be exemptions.
A key complaint is the way it would cut both houses of parliament out of decisions on which EU laws should be ditched, ceding that power to unelected civil servants and ministers. This is despite the fact that Rees-Mogg and his fellow Brexiters said that leaving the EU would be a way of restoring sovereignty to parliament.
While Tory and other peers are keen not to be seen to be conducting their arguments in public...another source in the Lords said: “The penny has dropped with No 10. There is a recognition that unless they make concessions they are in ‘baby out with the bathwater’ territory. They will be causing legal chaos on many fronts for the sake of pleasing Rees-Mogg and the Tory right.”
Concern has also been rising within government departments over the amount of civil service time that the bill has been taking and, more recently, the way the legal fallout could complicate Rishi Sunak’s recently signed Windsor framework deal with Brussels on the operation of the Northern Ireland protocol.
Senior figures in Brussels have also weighed in, saying that if environmental and other standards are allowed to fall in the UK, threatening the so-called “level playing field”, this could seriously undermine the UK’s post-Brexit trade deal with the EU and potentially lead to a trade war.
One idea understood to be under consideration is for Badenoch to announce in the coming months a list of obviously redundant EU laws that could be abolished without controversy and hail this symbolic move as proof that ministers were delivering on Brexit.
Another idea is to extend the “sunset clause” under which laws would cease to apply by at least another year, taking them beyond the likely date of the next general election, meaning the bill would in effect never come into force. Within the civil service, officials say it is inevitable that most of the EU laws will be retained.Some don't have to be scrapped they can be just be ignored by the UK. Until someone uses it to win a court case. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2023 9:10:55 GMT
Bullshit to you. Sensible to others. But that's not the point, is it? As I said and I am repeating it: Whether the law you ignore is sensible or not is not the point of your original response. You stated that not all laws would have to be scrapped but those retained could be ignored. Now, if laws are retained, they remain legally operable. If they are legally operable but you ignore them, then you are breaking them. You can't just blurt out something as thoughtless as "Some don't have to be scrapped they can be just be ignored by the UK."Only if they are a pro EUSSR indoctrinated mindless idiot. Nobody is for or against EUSSR. It does not exist in the real world. The dang thing was created by and exists only in the head of a delusional sov'rnteee-hunter. Seriously, to have fundamentalist and purist views of Brexit is one thing -- that's just reality, i.e., people like that exist. But to create in your head a bloc called the European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and then believe that fantasy and actually promote it as well goes beyond idiocy. It borders on the deranged, IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2023 9:13:27 GMT
So, in any event, they broke the law. There is a law in the UK that was abolished by your hero Blair called the act of treason. How lucky for you Remnants the frigging lot of them do not even understand the word DEMOCRACY. You keep throwing your toys out of your pram gnomie it gives us all a bloody good laugh at you lot crying over spilt milk. Please. You don't even understand that the EUSSR does not exist.  |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 11, 2023 9:13:59 GMT
Poor little man.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2023 10:23:32 GMT
Only if they are a pro EUSSR indoctrinated mindless idiot. . It does not exist in the real world. The dang thing was created by and exists only in the head of a delusional sov'rnteee-hunter. Seriously, to have fundamentalist and purist views of Brexit is one thing -- that's just reality, i.e., people like that exist. But to create in your head a bloc called the European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and then believe that fantasy and actually promote it as well goes beyond idiocy. It borders on the deranged, IMO. Ah bless. Get a life mate... |
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Post by Steve on Apr 11, 2023 10:46:07 GMT
Only if they are a pro EUSSR indoctrinated mindless idiot. Nobody is for or against EUSSR. It does not exist in the real world. The dang thing was created by and exists only in the head of a delusional sov'rnteee-hunter. . . .Nail hit head, it's a prop for those who can't honestly argue a genuine position |
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