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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 16:58:48 GMT
I didn't say 'only' the Tories protected Savile, the police were also to blame. The Tories were friends of Savile. And Labour. If they knew that Saville was committing crimes while they were in office and they did nothing about it then they were protectu him. Or are you saying that the Labour government were so useless that they didn’t know ? Which one? Do you know of any member of the Labour party knew what Savile was doing?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 17:03:08 GMT
You have just screwed your own argument. I would rather they were too stupid to know rather than knew and said nothing, wouldn't you? The Tories were friends of Savile and friends know 'little' secrets. I've lost count how many times you've posted "The Tories were friends of Saville".
Saville was friends with most political parties he wasn't fussy, he was even pally with the roayls, he wasn't exclusively just friends with the Tories like you are trying to make out, stop being purposely contrive.
Savile spent Christmases with Thatcher, she even lobbied for his knighthood, that's very friendly. One Tory minister, Edwina Currie — at the time in charge of mental health policy — actually authorised Savile’s “access all areas” key to everywhere in the Broadmoor top-security mental hospital, here he regularly watched female patients undress and bathe and abused and assaulted many other patients, that sounds very friendly. At elections and at other times Savile always enthusiastically campaigned for the Tories, that's very, very friendly
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Post by Bentley on Apr 5, 2023 17:11:10 GMT
And Labour. If they knew that Saville was committing crimes while they were in office and they did nothing about it then they were protectu him. Or are you saying that the Labour government were so useless that they didn’t know ? Which one? Do you know of any member of the Labour party knew what Savile was doing? You’re not very bright are you? If Saville was committing crimes while the Labour Party was in power then the Labour government must have known about it . What is is about this statement that you are unable to comprehend ?
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Post by Bentley on Apr 5, 2023 17:13:37 GMT
No I haven’t . In fact I’ve put this to you before. It’s not about what you would ‘ rather’ , it’s about what you think of Labour . They are either totally stupid , ignorant and incompetent or conniving . You chose that former because you …wait for it ………..….‘ prefer’ that …..ffs.😂 Or maybe they couldn't do anything about it, it is the police after all that bring charges and we know Saville had 'friends' in the Tory party and the police. I asked you a question "I would rather they were too stupid to know rather than knew and said nothing" but I don't think you understood it. The Conservatives spent Christmases with Saville, you do know the saying 'running with the pack' don't ya? Ah so you think that the Labour government were so weak and clueless that they couldn’t address Savilles crimes ..because some people in the opposition knew him. That’s about as lame as an excuse as one might expect from you 😆
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Post by Bentley on Apr 5, 2023 17:15:30 GMT
I've lost count how many times you've posted "The Tories were friends of Saville".
Saville was friends with most political parties he wasn't fussy, he was even pally with the roayls, he wasn't exclusively just friends with the Tories like you are trying to make out, stop being purposely contrive.
Savile spent Christmases with Thatcher, she even lobbied for his knighthood, that's very friendly. One Tory minister, Edwina Currie — at the time in charge of mental health policy — actually authorised Savile’s “access all areas” key to everywhere in the Broadmoor top-security mental hospital, here he regularly watched female patients undress and bathe and abused and assaulted many other patients, that sounds very friendly. At elections and at other times Savile always enthusiastically campaigned for the Tories, that's very, very friendly Repeated just for you Now firmly nestled up with the Blairs, in 1999 the couple invited McGee and his wife Kate to Chequers, for a dinner party from hell. Not because it included Dame Judi Dench or former Celtic chairman John Reid, who were also sat around the table of the prime minister’s 16th century country manor, but because the guest of honour was who we now know as one of Britain’s most prolific paedophiles: Jimmy Savile. The bizarre scene plays out in Creation Stories with the strange revelation that the Blairs were on very friendly terms with Savile, and that the child abuser was given pride of place at the table. Savile (played bravely by Alistair McGowan) then proceeds to sexually harass McGee’s wife in full view of everyone. In McGee’s autobiography, serialised in The Daily Record, he says: “At dinner, Kate was between Jimmy Savile and Judi Dench. Savile started to hit on Kate, kissing his way up her arms, kissing her fingers. “I was thinking, ‘What a dirty old man’, but at Chequers, it’s not done to break Jimmy Savile’s nose. Kate came over and said, ‘He’s a pervert’. He left her alone once she was next to me.” He added: “There was an edge to him, a quiet menace, the threat of violence. I come from Glasgow, I can tell when someone is dangerous...I’m convinced he was a gangster. “Why he was invited I don’t know. It was as if he was the host rather than Tony. It really shows the connection he had to the establishment.” www.esquire.com/uk/culture/film/a35892762/creation-stories-true-story/
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 5, 2023 17:19:12 GMT
I've lost count how many times you've posted "The Tories were friends of Saville".
Saville was friends with most political parties he wasn't fussy, he was even pally with the roayls, he wasn't exclusively just friends with the Tories like you are trying to make out, stop being purposely contrive.
Savile spent Christmases with Thatcher, she even lobbied for his knighthood, that's very friendly. One Tory minister, Edwina Currie — at the time in charge of mental health policy — actually authorised Savile’s “access all areas” key to everywhere in the Broadmoor top-security mental hospital, here he regularly watched female patients undress and bathe and abused and assaulted many other patients, that sounds very friendly. At elections and at other times Savile always enthusiastically campaigned for the Tories, that's very, very friendlyLOL ... so now he just wasn't friendly with the Tories ... you've just promoted him to "very, very friendly".
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Post by jonksy on Apr 5, 2023 17:23:16 GMT
Savile spent Christmases with Thatcher, she even lobbied for his knighthood, that's very friendly. One Tory minister, Edwina Currie — at the time in charge of mental health policy — actually authorised Savile’s “access all areas” key to everywhere in the Broadmoor top-security mental hospital, here he regularly watched female patients undress and bathe and abused and assaulted many other patients, that sounds very friendly. At elections and at other times Savile always enthusiastically campaigned for the Tories, that's very, very friendly Repeated just for you Now firmly nestled up with the Blairs, in 1999 the couple invited McGee and his wife Kate to Chequers, for a dinner party from hell. Not because it included Dame Judi Dench or former Celtic chairman John Reid, who were also sat around the table of the prime minister’s 16th century country manor, but because the guest of honour was who we now know as one of Britain’s most prolific paedophiles: Jimmy Savile. The bizarre scene plays out in Creation Stories with the strange revelation that the Blairs were on very friendly terms with Savile, and that the child abuser was given pride of place at the table. Savile (played bravely by Alistair McGowan) then proceeds to sexually harass McGee’s wife in full view of everyone. In McGee’s autobiography, serialised in The Daily Record, he says: “At dinner, Kate was between Jimmy Savile and Judi Dench. Savile started to hit on Kate, kissing his way up her arms, kissing her fingers. “I was thinking, ‘What a dirty old man’, but at Chequers, it’s not done to break Jimmy Savile’s nose. Kate came over and said, ‘He’s a pervert’. He left her alone once she was next to me.” He added: “There was an edge to him, a quiet menace, the threat of violence. I come from Glasgow, I can tell when someone is dangerous...I’m convinced he was a gangster. “Why he was invited I don’t know. It was as if he was the host rather than Tony. It really shows the connection he had to the establishment.” www.esquire.com/uk/culture/film/a35892762/creation-stories-true-story/My late brother worked at Stoke Mandeville hospital and it was a well known fact that saville was not what he portrayed. The authorities there only kept silent because of the money he was raising for the new wing......He had the run of the place and his very own key to the mortuary.......Who would have one of those if their intensions were honourable?
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Post by see2 on Apr 5, 2023 17:25:41 GMT
Do you know of any member of the Labour party knew what Savile was doing? You’re not very bright are you? If Saville was committing crimes while the Labour Party was in power then the Labour government must have known about it . What is is about this statement that you are unable to comprehend ? It is what you that doesn't comprehend that is the problem. Without proof, your comment is a huge assumption.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 5, 2023 17:30:15 GMT
You’re not very bright are you? If Saville was committing crimes while the Labour Party was in power then the Labour government must have known about it . What is is about this statement that you are unable to comprehend ? It is what you that doesn't comprehend that is the problem. Without proof, your comment is a huge assumption. Just a simple matter of deduction and logic, see2. Something way beyond your capability . You need to get back to your nap or you might be too sleepy for Emmerdale.
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 5, 2023 17:31:05 GMT
Repeated just for you Now firmly nestled up with the Blairs, in 1999 the couple invited McGee and his wife Kate to Chequers, for a dinner party from hell. Not because it included Dame Judi Dench or former Celtic chairman John Reid, who were also sat around the table of the prime minister’s 16th century country manor, but because the guest of honour was who we now know as one of Britain’s most prolific paedophiles: Jimmy Savile. The bizarre scene plays out in Creation Stories with the strange revelation that the Blairs were on very friendly terms with Savile, and that the child abuser was given pride of place at the table. Savile (played bravely by Alistair McGowan) then proceeds to sexually harass McGee’s wife in full view of everyone. In McGee’s autobiography, serialised in The Daily Record, he says: “At dinner, Kate was between Jimmy Savile and Judi Dench. Savile started to hit on Kate, kissing his way up her arms, kissing her fingers. “I was thinking, ‘What a dirty old man’, but at Chequers, it’s not done to break Jimmy Savile’s nose. Kate came over and said, ‘He’s a pervert’. He left her alone once she was next to me.” He added: “There was an edge to him, a quiet menace, the threat of violence. I come from Glasgow, I can tell when someone is dangerous...I’m convinced he was a gangster. “Why he was invited I don’t know. It was as if he was the host rather than Tony. It really shows the connection he had to the establishment.” www.esquire.com/uk/culture/film/a35892762/creation-stories-true-story/My late brother worked at Stoke Mandeville hospital and it was a well known fact that saville was not what he portrayed. The authorities there only kept silent because of the money he was raising for the new wing......He had the run of the place and his very own key to the mortuary.......Who would have one of those if their intensions were honourable? Yes, those people who turned a blind eye for the sake of 'money' have a lot to answer for, it doesn't bare thinking about what he might have been free to do to these vulnerable children, he really was a abomination.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 5, 2023 17:34:51 GMT
It is what you that doesn't comprehend that is the problem. Without proof, your comment is a huge assumption. Just a simple matter of deduction and logic, see2. Something way beyond your capability . You need to get back to your nap or you might be too sleepy for Emmerdale.LOL....
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Post by see2 on Apr 5, 2023 17:37:33 GMT
It is what you that doesn't comprehend that is the problem. Without proof, your comment is a huge assumption. Just a simple matter of deduction and logic, see2. Something way beyond your capability . You need to get back to your nap or you might be too sleepy for Emmerdale. Right-wing "deduction and logic" is assumption, that's how come they post so much unproveable nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 17:45:58 GMT
I definitely won't be voting for them either. If there is a socialist candidate I will vote for them. If not, then Green. If there are no better alternatives I would even vote Lib Dem. Never anything right wing like Reform or the Tories, and never Starmer's Labour. Confusion, that's what can happen when people hold hard fixed opinions. Fixed opinions are all too often fixed by feelings not logic. The problems with feelings is that they are emotional / hormonal reactions that arise from the sensory system, they cannot apply logic nor can they rationalise. Personally I don't care if Starmer never becomes PM, I have seen too much stupidity by too many eligible voters over the years to concern myself with the outcome of the election, especially at my time of life. My opinions are perfectly logical. Just because they are not the same as yours does not make them any less logically valid. I can give logical arguments for anything I believe, but a ding dong about that would require a thread all of it's own. Feelings are important too though because they are often felt in response to political actions or inactions and they also are the foundations of values around which logical arguments which reflect those values can cohere. My own values which are strongly felt are a great belief in fairness and social justice, a dislike of economic inequalities where these are seen to be undeserved or excessive, a desire to champion the underdogs in life, a live and let live attitude, a distaste for excessive exploitation of those who are less advantaged, a loathing for pure greed, a belief in a fair deal for everyone who does his bit when he can, a love of freedom, a loathing for racism and all other forms of bigotries, a belief in true democracy, a society where work pays and where everyone who strives in whatever way can live in reasonable comfort and security, and so on. These values inform my politics, but the actual bricks and mortar policies I believe in and champion are derived logically, using logical ideas to express my values. There is nothing illogical or extremist about that. That you cannot understand it, and indeed seem incapable of truly understanding the logic of anyone who disagrees with you, whether from the left or right is your own narrow-minded and excessively biased failing, not everyone else's. You see, whilst I may fervently disagree with the right, I can still understand that many of them are motivated by values too, even if they are different from mine. It is in fact hardest of all to discern values from your persuasion simply because there appears to be little your lot won't sell out on in pursuit of power. New Labour revisited offers little but soundbites and even these seem tailored to sound appealing to specific groups informed by the revelations of focus groups rather than by any more deeply held values. Those who seek power for its own sake rather than for a purpose built on values are actually I think the last kind of people we should be putting in power.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 18:33:15 GMT
Repeated just for you Now firmly nestled up with the Blairs, in 1999 the couple invited McGee and his wife Kate to Chequers, for a dinner party from hell. Not because it included Dame Judi Dench or former Celtic chairman John Reid, who were also sat around the table of the prime minister’s 16th century country manor, but because the guest of honour was who we now know as one of Britain’s most prolific paedophiles: Jimmy Savile. The bizarre scene plays out in Creation Stories with the strange revelation that the Blairs were on very friendly terms with Savile, and that the child abuser was given pride of place at the table. Savile (played bravely by Alistair McGowan) then proceeds to sexually harass McGee’s wife in full view of everyone. In McGee’s autobiography, serialised in The Daily Record, he says: “At dinner, Kate was between Jimmy Savile and Judi Dench. Savile started to hit on Kate, kissing his way up her arms, kissing her fingers. “I was thinking, ‘What a dirty old man’, but at Chequers, it’s not done to break Jimmy Savile’s nose. Kate came over and said, ‘He’s a pervert’. He left her alone once she was next to me.” He added: “There was an edge to him, a quiet menace, the threat of violence. I come from Glasgow, I can tell when someone is dangerous...I’m convinced he was a gangster. “Why he was invited I don’t know. It was as if he was the host rather than Tony. It really shows the connection he had to the establishment.” www.esquire.com/uk/culture/film/a35892762/creation-stories-true-story/My late brother worked at Stoke Mandeville hospital and it was a well known fact that saville was not what he portrayed. The authorities there only kept silent because of the money he was raising for the new wing......He had the run of the place and his very own key to the mortuary.......Who would have one of those if their intensions were honourable? There was always something a bit suspect about Saville. He was so obviously a total fake. I can remember as a kid in the 70s when he was a popular celebrity on TV, finding him a little bit creepy. There was something about him that I just could not logically put a finger on or explain but he just gave me the creeps. It was something I felt rather than reasoned. And the thing is, I was not the only kid at the time who thought that. In my younger days I always had a good sixth sense for wrong uns or ulterior negative motives. As a bullied loner back then from an abusive background I learned to live by my wits and to trust my instincts, with a finely honed sixth sense for people of malicious intent. And my alarm bells flagged up big time with Saville. It seemed so obvious to me that I just couldn't understand why so many others seemed to love him. The revelations that came out about him much more recently shocked me of course but did not surprise me. I always sensed he was a creep. I do not find it at all difficult to believe he was a paedophile or a necrophile. If it came to light that he was an attendee at parties hosted by Fred and Rose West it would not surprise me. Very little would or could where Saville is concerned.
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Post by see2 on Apr 5, 2023 20:10:54 GMT
Confusion, that's what can happen when people hold hard fixed opinions. Fixed opinions are all too often fixed by feelings not logic. The problems with feelings is that they are emotional / hormonal reactions that arise from the sensory system, they cannot apply logic nor can they rationalise. Personally I don't care if Starmer never becomes PM, I have seen too much stupidity by too many eligible voters over the years to concern myself with the outcome of the election, especially at my time of life. My opinions are perfectly logical. Of course they are, to you.
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