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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 31, 2023 20:35:24 GMT
It was inevitable. Germany and Italy have thrown a planned European Union ban on new petrol and diesel cars into disarray as they seek exemptions to protect their powerful car industries. EU diplomats have been forced to delay a key vote on the proposals, which would outlaw the manufacture of combustion engine cars across the bloc from 2035, following a last-minute revolt by the two countries. The plans were agreed in principle last year and would prevent the sale of new cars unless they are "zero emissions". However, they still require final approval from member states. Germany, along with allies, is seeking an exemption for cars running on so-called e-fuels, such as kerosene made from waste, which are being developed by some manufacturers. It has forced EU officials to delay a vote that was due to happen on Tuesday. The laws cannot pass without Berlin's backing and have led to a split within Chancellor Olaf Scholz's coalition government, with his FDP partners agitating for the EU's plans to be loosened. www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/03/03/ftse-100-markets-live-news-jeremy-hunt-bill-support/
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 31, 2023 22:17:01 GMT
It was inevitable. Germany and Italy have thrown a planned European Union ban on new petrol and diesel cars into disarray as they seek exemptions to protect their powerful car industries. EU diplomats have been forced to delay a key vote on the proposals, which would outlaw the manufacture of combustion engine cars across the bloc from 2035, following a last-minute revolt by the two countries. The plans were agreed in principle last year and would prevent the sale of new cars unless they are "zero emissions". However, they still require final approval from member states. Germany, along with allies, is seeking an exemption for cars running on so-called e-fuels, such as kerosene made from waste, which are being developed by some manufacturers. It has forced EU officials to delay a vote that was due to happen on Tuesday. The laws cannot pass without Berlin's backing and have led to a split within Chancellor Olaf Scholz's coalition government, with his FDP partners agitating for the EU's plans to be loosened. www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/03/03/ftse-100-markets-live-news-jeremy-hunt-bill-support/ Who are the 'EU diplomats'? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 31, 2023 22:19:32 GMT
It was inevitable. Germany and Italy have thrown a planned European Union ban on new petrol and diesel cars into disarray as they seek exemptions to protect their powerful car industries. EU diplomats have been forced to delay a key vote on the proposals, which would outlaw the manufacture of combustion engine cars across the bloc from 2035, following a last-minute revolt by the two countries. The plans were agreed in principle last year and would prevent the sale of new cars unless they are "zero emissions". However, they still require final approval from member states. Germany, along with allies, is seeking an exemption for cars running on so-called e-fuels, such as kerosene made from waste, which are being developed by some manufacturers. It has forced EU officials to delay a vote that was due to happen on Tuesday. The laws cannot pass without Berlin's backing and have led to a split within Chancellor Olaf Scholz's coalition government, with his FDP partners agitating for the EU's plans to be loosened. www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/03/03/ftse-100-markets-live-news-jeremy-hunt-bill-support/ Who are the 'EU diplomats'? Excellent question, Einy are you getting on board at last? |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 31, 2023 22:20:47 GMT
Who are the 'EU diplomats'? Excellent question, Einy are you getting on board at last? I'm with you, Red. Now, who are the 'EU diplomats'? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 31, 2023 22:22:13 GMT
Excellent question, Einy are you getting on board at last? I'm with you, Red. Now, who are the 'EU diplomats'? Einy, you have access to the same info as me. I was good enough to include it in the OP. |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 31, 2023 22:25:51 GMT
I'm with you, Red. Now, who are the 'EU diplomats'? Einy, you have access to the same info as me. I was good enough to include it in the OP. I've heard of the Council, the Parliament, and the Commission. I've no idea who these 'EU diplomats' are. Your own OP says that it is all subject to a vote by these 'EU diplomats'. I assume they're not the elected Parliament or the elected Council, since you never tire of telling us the EU is run by unelected bureaucrats. So, who are they? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 31, 2023 22:32:29 GMT
Einy, you have access to the same info as me. I was good enough to include it in the OP. I've heard of the Council, the Parliament, and the Commission. I've no idea who these 'EU diplomats' are. Your own OP says that it is all subject to a vote by these 'EU diplomats'. I assume they're not the elected Parliament or the elected Council, since you never tire of telling us the EU is run by unelected bureaucrats. So, who are they? Einy, I have added or subtracted nothing from the link in the OP. If you have a problem with the link I suggest you contact the Telegraph. |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 31, 2023 22:35:36 GMT
I've heard of the Council, the Parliament, and the Commission. I've no idea who these 'EU diplomats' are. Your own OP says that it is all subject to a vote by these 'EU diplomats'. I assume they're not the elected Parliament or the elected Council, since you never tire of telling us the EU is run by unelected bureaucrats. So, who are they? Einy, I have added or subtracted nothing from the link in the OP. If you have a problem with the link I suggest you contact the Telegraph. I trust you, Red. You have my full confidence. The only problem is that you keep telling us that all major decisions in the EU are made by unelected bureaucrats. I've never heard of an EU body called the Chamber of Diplomats. It seems to me that the big decision here is very likely to be made by the elected Council or the elected EU Parliament. Your own OP kind of flies in the face of what you keep telling us. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 31, 2023 22:42:16 GMT
Einy, I have added or subtracted nothing from the link in the OP. If you have a problem with the link I suggest you contact the Telegraph. I trust you, Red. You have my full confidence. The only problem is that you keep telling us that all major decisions in the EU are made by unelected bureaucrats. I've never heard of an EU body called the Chamber of Diplomats. It seems to me that the big decision here is very likely to be made by the elected Council or the EU Parliament. Your own OP kind of flies in the face of what you keep telling us. I can see what you trying to do Einy, dare I say good attempt? Mmmm, probably not. However, here's another link from the same source, enjoy. The bloc is backtracking on its plan to ban combustion engines. It's time for Britain to follow suit. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/29/electric-vehicle-backdown-means-eu-net-zero-plan-in-tatters/ |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 31, 2023 22:43:57 GMT
I trust you, Red. You have my full confidence. The only problem is that you keep telling us that all major decisions in the EU are made by unelected bureaucrats. I've never heard of an EU body called the Chamber of Diplomats. It seems to me that the big decision here is very likely to be made by the elected Council or the EU Parliament. Your own OP kind of flies in the face of what you keep telling us. I can see what you trying to do Einy, dare I say good attempt? Mmmm, probably not. However, here's another link from the same source, enjoy. The bloc is backtracking on its plan to ban combustion engines. It's time for Britain to follow suit. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/29/electric-vehicle-backdown-means-eu-net-zero-plan-in-tatters/Red, it's your job to lie to us; it's our job to point out your lies. If you're going to point out your own lies in threads you start yourself, it kind of takes the fun out of it for the rest of us. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 31, 2023 22:49:10 GMT
Red, it's your job to lie to us; it's our job to point out your lies. If you're going to point out your own lies in threads you start yourself, it kind of takes the fun out of it for the rest of us. My lies? Oh god this is becoming tedious. OK Einy I'll play, what in your opinion, have I lied about? |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 31, 2023 22:50:30 GMT
Red, it's your job to lie to us; it's our job to point out your lies. If you're going to point out your own lies in threads you start yourself, it kind of takes the fun out of it for the rest of us. My lies? Oh god this is becoming tedious. OK Einy I'll play, what in your opinion, have I lied about? Just everything you've ever said about the EU. Don't worry about it, though - it's all good fun. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 31, 2023 23:26:57 GMT
My lies? Oh god this is becoming tedious. OK Einy I'll play, what in your opinion, have I lied about? Just everything you've ever said about the EU. Don't worry about it, though - it's all good fun. Could you possibly tell me one of these lies, per chance? |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 31, 2023 23:33:21 GMT
Just everything you've ever said about the EU. Don't worry about it, though - it's all good fun. Could you possibly tell me one of these lies, per chance? Where to start? How about your claim that the UK wasn't sovereign when it was a member of the EU? I predict that you will come back with your usual response that the 1972 Act gave precedence to EU Regulations. What you won't mention is that the 1972 Act was itself an act of the UK Parliament, so that any precedence accorded EU Regulations stemmed from the command of the sovereign UK Parliament. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 31, 2023 23:40:45 GMT
Could you possibly tell me one of these lies, per chance? Where to start? How about your claim that the UK wasn't sovereign when it was a member of the EU? I predict that you will come back with your usual response that the 1972 Act gave precedence to EU Regulations. What you won't mention is that the 1972 Act was itself an act of the UK Parliament, and that any precedence accorded EU Regulations stemmed from the command of the sovereign UK Parliament. Oh ffs are you for real. Einy, it is a matter of fact that EU law is 'supreme'. The EU said so. And when conflict arises between EU and national law, national laws must be set aside. How sovereign in your opinion is a country who's laws can be overruled? eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/glossary/primacy-of-eu-law-precedence-supremacy.html |
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