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Post by Pacifico on Apr 1, 2023 6:57:03 GMT
Well it couldn't have been that much of a lie as the EU were mandating austerity for the UK at that time. And we know that after leaving the EU the Tories had to obey the EU. And here we are 13 years later still blaming it on Labour. Time to grow up. The EU stopped their action against the UK for excessive deficits before we left (2017) as the Tories had reduced the level to below the EU limit. Stick to the facts if you want to appear to be grown up.. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2023 7:07:42 GMT
The last time Labour were in power they left the country broke - and now they want to give the Chancellor of the Exchequers job to a girl who cannot add up..  Not because of what Labour did, but rather the bankers, but you know that. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 1, 2023 7:08:14 GMT
The last time Labour were in power the budget was in surplus for more years than any Conservative government in modern history. Labours record on the Budget deficit is nothing special except to leave office with the largest deficit on record up till that time.  However their record on the Balance of Payments is truly dire - they started the slide that has continued to this day.   This one shows it clearer. Just look at that terrible period between 1997 and 2008, curse that New Labour.  |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 1, 2023 7:09:39 GMT
Oh, and if you want to see what came before.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 1, 2023 7:24:48 GMT
This one shows it clearer. Just look at that terrible period between 1997 and 2008, curse that New Labour. So basically what you are saying is it took 10 years for the countries finances to recover after the mess that Labour left in 2010... |
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Post by see2 on Apr 1, 2023 7:48:38 GMT
The last time Labour were in power the budget was in surplus for more years than any Conservative government in modern history. Labours record on the Budget deficit is nothing special except to leave office with the largest deficit on record up till that time. However their record on the Balance of Payments is truly dire - they started the slide that has continued to this day. Considering the Tory unpaid bills on the NHS and Education alone that NL picked up in 1997 they did extremely well up to 2008. The insinuated lying about what happened after 2010 is just more of your nonsense. So far you are guilty of two incredible insinuated lies about NL. Shame on you. That 13 years out of office and the good things NL did are still causing you serious anger. Good. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 1, 2023 7:55:14 GMT
Labours record on the Budget deficit is nothing special except to leave office with the largest deficit on record up till that time. However their record on the Balance of Payments is truly dire - they started the slide that has continued to this day. This one shows it clearer. Just look at that terrible period between 1997 and 2008, curse that New Labour. The improvement on net borrowing 2011 to 2019 is down to the 'austerity' that Pacifico claims never happened LOL. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 1, 2023 8:08:10 GMT
This one shows it clearer. Just look at that terrible period between 1997 and 2008, curse that New Labour. So basically what you are saying is it took 10 years for the countries finances to recover after the mess that Labour left in 2010... Lol. That's what you are saying. I'm saying New Labour ran the budget really well as can be seen. The 2008 world banking crash reversed much of their work and put the deficit back up to Tory levels. 13 years of Austerity from the Tories have put us in a strong position for another 13 years of Deficit. No thanks |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 1, 2023 8:17:15 GMT
So basically what you are saying is it took 10 years for the countries finances to recover after the mess that Labour left in 2010... Lol. That's what you are saying. I'm saying New Labour ran the budget really well as can be seen. The 2008 world banking crash reversed much of their work and put the deficit back up to Tory levels. 13 years of Austerity from the Tories have put us in a strong position for another 13 years of Deficit. No thanks No what you are actually all saying is however we look at it, the Westminster party put us up the creek without a paddle. then you tell us those who completely fecked up time and time again need to do it all over again. I find you lacking in any wisdom whatsoever. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2023 9:56:04 GMT
The poster zanygame proves my original points by using accurate graphs, that the government of Tony Blair achieved ten whole years of sustainable growth WITHOUT excessive borrowing, and that the UK Budget Deficit was in surplus for more years than under any Conservative government in modern history.
Too many Tory supporters think that if you keep on repeating a lie, eventually some people will believe it.
The excessive borrowing came along with the Banking Crisis and the recession that followed, just as it did in many countries, including the United States, Germany, France, Ireland and others.
The main reason why the Tories managed to scrape to victory in 2010 with the Lib Dems supporting them, was simply because enough people actually believed the Tory lie that "it was all Labours fault".
What if I posted and reposted over and over again that the excessive borrowing during the Covid emergency was "all the Tories fault" ? Why not introduce some honesty into the debate
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Post by zanygame on Apr 1, 2023 10:06:21 GMT
Lol. That's what you are saying. I'm saying New Labour ran the budget really well as can be seen. The 2008 world banking crash reversed much of their work and put the deficit back up to Tory levels. 13 years of Austerity from the Tories have put us in a strong position for another 13 years of Deficit. No thanks No what you are actually all saying is however we look at it, the Westminster party put us up the creek without a paddle. then you tell us those who completely fecked up time and time again need to do it all over again. I find you lacking in any wisdom whatsoever. Why don't you stop telling me what I'm saying and say something yourself. Or is all you've got to say is that everyone else is crap and you are good at jeering from the side lines. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 1, 2023 10:10:37 GMT
The poster zanygame proves my original points by using accurate graphs, that the government of Tony Blair achieved ten whole years of sustainable growth WITHOUT excessive borrowing, and that the UK Budget Deficit was in surplus for more years than under any Conservative government in modern history. Too many Tory supporters think that if you keep on repeating a lie, eventually some people will believe it. The excessive borrowing came along with the Banking Crisis and the recession that followed, just as it did in many countries, including the United States, Germany, France, Ireland and others. The main reason why the Tories managed to scrape to victory in 2010 with the Lib Dems supporting them, was simply because enough people actually believed the Tory lie that "it was all Labours fault". What if I posted and reposted over and over again that the excessive borrowing during the Covid emergency was "all the Tories fault" ? Why not introduce some honesty into the debate I do think that when Gordon took over from Tony the labour party did move back towards old labour again. It was well known theat the two grew further apart over the years with Brown thinking Blair was moving to slowly towards true socialist ideas. This had some effect, but as you say the multimillion pound Tory campaign managed to persuade enough people that Labour could have stopped the crash effecting the UK if they'd really really tried. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2023 10:35:33 GMT
The last time Labour were in power the budget was in surplus for more years than any Conservative government in modern history. Labours record on the Budget deficit is nothing special except to leave office with the largest deficit on record up till that time. However their record on the Balance of Payments is truly dire - they started the slide that has continued to this day. And the reason for that in all fairness was global and affected much of the world's most advanced economies. Blaming Labour for that is ridiculous. Especially considering that until that point we had far more sustained growth than at any time under your beloved Tories. And yet, were I to draw your attention to the fact that after 13 years of Tory rule, the deficit is now far higher than Labour left it in 2010, you'd immediately jump to their defence by citing external and global factors like Covid. So here we have your double standards in a nutshell. If the deficit balloons due to external global factors under Labour it is Labour's fault. But if the deficit balloons due to external global factors under the Tories, it is NOT the Tories' fault but the fault of those external global factors. Once this inherent fact is understood, your argument loses all credibility by being shown to be brazenly partisan. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2023 10:40:02 GMT
It time you showed some respect for political truth. Indeed - it is high time we all had some truth..  And you speak of truth whilst posting that crap? Every sensible person knows that this was just a joke note, which the Tories weaponised, and Labour was utterly stupid not to have foreseen that they would. And that is the actual truth. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 1, 2023 10:46:09 GMT
So basically what you are saying is it took 10 years for the countries finances to recover after the mess that Labour left in 2010... Lol. That's what you are saying. I'm saying New Labour ran the budget really well as can be seen. The 2008 world banking crash reversed much of their work and put the deficit back up to Tory levels.13 years of Austerity from the Tories have put us in a strong position for another 13 years of Deficit. No thanks The 3 years of negative borrowing at the start of the Labour administration were when they were following Tory spending plans - as soon as they started following their own economic policy borrowing ballooned. And eventually what they handed over to the incoming Government in 2010 was a disaster zone that took 10 years to get a grip on. |
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