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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2023 20:32:56 GMT
I'm not disputing that. I was merely helping out as you said it didn't exist. It very much does. Hope that helps. . It’s a meaningless quasi citizenship . Your own link confirms that. The EU is not a nation. Birmingham city council could declare all council tax payers as citizens of Birmingham . It wouldn’t mean they are. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 2, 2023 21:38:02 GMT
Indeed, hence the case that I referred to into whether that citizenship could be withdrawn from individuals without their consent It wasn't without their consent - a majority voted for it. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 2, 2023 23:25:58 GMT
I'll use the Bank of England sterling index and note the correlation with Brexit because it's the relevant data but nice try to think you could obscure that with our financial crisis money printing issues 2008-11 Ah, so you want to ignore one data point in favour of another that better fits your narrative and in so doing you've actually proved my point.  No but I can read a graph, seems you either can't or more likely won't because what it tells you is awkward to you |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 2, 2023 23:27:54 GMT
Indeed, hence the case that I referred to into whether that citizenship could be withdrawn from individuals without their consent It wasn't without their consent - a majority voted for it. I take it that you failed to read the case that I linked to? If you had, you would have seen that I was correct in my summary. You seem to have totally missed the word "individual". |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2023 1:18:07 GMT
It wasn't without their consent - a majority voted for it. I take it that you failed to read the case that I linked to? If you had, you would have seen that I was correct in my summary. You seem to have totally missed the word "individual". Did the "individual" have a passport ot ID with that? |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 3, 2023 6:34:10 GMT
It wasn't without their consent - a majority voted for it. I take it that you failed to read the case that I linked to? If you had, you would have seen that I was correct in my summary. You seem to have totally missed the word "individual". How does individual consent work in a Democracy? - should we all individually have to agree to changes in taxation?, or retirement age?. It's an interesting concept that the individual has the ability to consent (or not) to decisions the Government make but I'm not sure how practical that would be. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 3, 2023 6:41:05 GMT
my apologies if my piss taking offends pacifico. When you read some of the insane gibberish on here on a daily basis about fascists and all the rest you do get caught up in it.
Im just interested in what brexiters define as free trade , and what they think that means for the uk.
Back in the run up to the brexit ref , you must admit brexiters did set the tone for empire fantasy and delusion with we can cherry pick the single market but not have any of the cons like freedom of movement or euro courts , or the they need us more than we need them schtick , and the german car makers will be telling merkel whats what .
See this is what I mean - a lot of brexit supporters wanted to remain in the Single Market, but you are so tied up with this schtick about empire you fail to see any nuance. I'm beginning to understand why you have trouble finding fellow Scots to agree with you on independence - anyone undecided looking that these sort of crass arguments is going to run a mile.. How so? You and i have discussed this time and again .Of course a lot , if not the majority of brexit supporters wanted to remain in the single market. You were telling people you could have the benefits of th single market , but none of the cons.
That exactly the point im making about brexit delusion.
Thats exactly the point im making to you about trade negotiations .
Thats exactly the point im making to you about the empire mentality .
So if i fail to see your nuance , for example how you would stay in the single market , but not have Freedom of movement , ecj jurisdictions and all the other brexiter red lines , then by all means , expalin your nuance.
Just as i can see why an even bigger amount of scots disagreed with you brexiters on leaving the EU , and evnemore disagree today. They didnt buy into the fantasy of all the benefits of the single market but non of the cons.
A bit like the tory/brexit party/ukip vote in scotland. Any scots undecided at election time normally laugh their heads off and run a mile.
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 3, 2023 6:42:47 GMT
I take it that you failed to read the case that I linked to? If you had, you would have seen that I was correct in my summary. You seem to have totally missed the word "individual". Did the "individual" have a passport ot ID with that? Plenty of British citizens are such without a passport. There is no requirement for such. I refer you to the link as to what the rights of the citizenship entailed. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 3, 2023 6:43:40 GMT
i never claimed the EU is a country. You are making things up again. I claimed i was a european citizen at one point.
You can be a citizen of a multi national state like the UK , or a supranational organisation like the EU , or an empire of 65 countires like the former british empire.
Sorry if you dont understand that fact ,but there you go .
You are deluding yourself that you are a citizen of a continent. You are not tomas. You are a British citizen. That is a fact. But what are facts to the deluded? You tell me Tomas , you have put yourself firmly amongst them 😁 Well i have a passport that says EU citizen , so if thats wrong , then logically its wrong too that im a uk citizen as its says that on the passport too.
You seem to be well along on the denial stage , in a couple of years brexiters will be re writing history and trying to pretend the uk was never part of the EU.
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Post by thomas on Apr 3, 2023 6:44:53 GMT
You are making things up again bentley. I dont mind though . Its always fun coming on here listening to the brexiter drama queens talking about fascists and screaming the eu isnt a country so you cant be a citizen of it.
Im guessing you are working up a bit of a sweat at the minute over labour romping ahead in the polls.
More projection from tomas who believes that he is a citizen of a continent and believes the EU is a nation. using the quote tags quote me where i have claimed the EU is a nation? if not we can dismiss your latest made up nonsense with the scorn it deserves. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 3, 2023 6:47:20 GMT
You are incorrect. There is such a thing as European Citizenship. Indeed there was even a hearing to verify if that citizenship could be removed without the consent of the individual. brexitlegal.ie/eu-citizenship/I stand corrected Andrew but I have to point out that the Uk left the EU a while ago anyway. That refutes the claim that he is a citizen of a union that he doesn’t belong to. “EU citizenship arises from the nationality of an EU member state.”
Poor auld bentley , climbing down as ever while arguing semantics.
I used the past tense "was" rather than "is".
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Post by thomas on Apr 3, 2023 6:48:36 GMT
I'm not disputing that. I was merely helping out as you said it didn't exist. It very much does. Hope that helps. Thankyou andrew. Sometimes bentley lies so much he forgets whats he claimed a few posts back. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 3, 2023 6:50:31 GMT
I'm not disputing that. I was merely helping out as you said it didn't exist. It very much does. Hope that helps. . It’s a meaningless quasi citizenship . Your own link confirms that. The EU is not a nation. Birmingham city council could declare all council tax payers as citizens of Birmingham . It wouldn’t mean they are. So you have went from denying european citizenship exists , to claiming we arent currently eu citizens when no one claimed we were , to now admitting it exists , but is some sort of second class citizenship.
Its like watchin a fitba faw down the stairs step by step.
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Post by thomas on Apr 3, 2023 6:53:08 GMT
Indeed, hence the case that I referred to into whether that citizenship could be withdrawn from individuals without their consent It wasn't without their consent - a majority voted for it. Scotland and northern ireland didnt. That "majority" of the uk argument went right out the window after boris and rishi the remainer left northern ireland in the EU with continued EU citizenship rights.
What happened with Gibraltar anyway pacfico? What dodgy BRINO deal did the tories sign them up to?
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Post by thomas on Apr 3, 2023 6:57:00 GMT
I take it that you failed to read the case that I linked to? If you had, you would have seen that I was correct in my summary. You seem to have totally missed the word "individual". How does individual consent work in a Democracy? - Ask rishi sunak. His windsor agreement , which upholds the GFA , applies individual consent in northern ireland. |
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